Catholic Church v. Israel

http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com ^ | 7/27/16 | Paul Eidelberg

[Roman_War_Criminal]

A Charismatic New World Leader Emerges and Suddenly Befriends Israel

https://grandmageri422.me/2016/01/24/a-charismatic-new-world-leader-emerges-and-suddenly-befriends-israel/

[kindred]

Amen.

[SamuraiScot]

What about the 860,000 Jews saved from the Nazis by Pope Pius XII and the Catholic Church?

Yes--that was the tip of the iceberg. Get Fr. George Rutler's eye-opening book on the year 1942 in WWII called Principalities and Powers. It's a story of the encounter with the evil of Progressivism--in the persons of the Nazis and the Soviets and the Italian and Japanese fascists, who were all Progressives. That is, they believed the past knows nothing, and that they could be their own god.

The story is told through news reports, comments, and speeches recorded in Catholic newspapers around the world, the fascist press, The London Times, The New York Times, and other mainstream sources.

What emerges is that the Vatican had the bad guys' number from the start--having a historical memory about 2000 years old--and fought the Axis covertly and overtly, starting with condemnations of Mussolini and of National Socialism in the 1920. It's true that parts of the Church hierarchy in occupied France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the Axis countries rebelled and bought the Nazi line. But the Vatican, in the middle of Nazi-occupied Italy, held the line, as did most of the Church around the world.

Not many people know the appalling sacrifices made by nuns, priests, bishops, and cardinals for opposing the Nazis and in particular, for hiding Jews and transporting them to safety. Tens of thousands of clerics were executed by the Nazis in prisons, in concentration camps, on work farms, and in Nazi gas chambers--as were Catholic laymen by the millions, for the crime of failing to discard that ancient religion of theirs and embrace the future, that is, fascism and party-line thinking.

[SkyPilot]

In Jesus Christ there is no longer any distinction between Jews and Gentiles. All are now called, Jew and Gentile alike, to salvation in the one covenant of Jesus Christ.

That is true regarding Salvation.

It is also true that God's covenant with Israel was never declared null and void by God. That is why it is a covenant.

Israel (and its rebirth in 1948) is precious to God, and Israel has a major, major, major role to play in both the End Times and the Millennial Kingdom that God creates after the Great Tribulation.

Anyone, or any institution, that opposes Israel, seeks to divide Israel, seeks to take land away from Israel, seeks to take sides against Israel - is an enemy of God.

The Scriptures make this very plain. In fact, it will become even more plain to the entire world when God Himself intervenes during the War of Ezekiel 38/39.

A true follower of Jesus Christ loves Israel, as God does. Replacement Theology is wrong. The Church is the Church, it is not Israel. God still has an agenda for Israel. A big one, including its Salvation.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Not only that, but Israel and The Church have two totally different destinies.

You can really gauge the Spiritual Health of somebody by simply asking them about Israel and letting them talk about it.

You denounce Israel, and you’re messing with the Apple of God’s Eye.

[ronnietherocket3]

Sola Scriptura. ONLY THE SCRIPTURES. Any and all doctrine contrary to Scripture doctrine is false doctrine.

It is good to see the magisterium of kindred is alive and well.

I believe that the Roman Church will merge into the one world church with Islam and other cults and become the Woman riding on the back of the beast, the antichrist who will try to destroy the prophecy of God for Israel.

Your "prophecy" will remain forever unfilled.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"In Jesus Christ there is no longer any distinction between Jews and Gentiles"

As a position in Christ, yes. That is a different issue.

Paul also says...

Romans 11:28-32

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

[Petrosius]

You are correct, God’s covenant with Israel is not null and void but it finds its completion in the one covenant in Jesus Christ. There are not two covenants, one for Jews and one for Gentiles. Such a thing is clearly denied by Paul. As Paul taught, the Gentiles were grafted onto Israel to form one people. God does indeed remain faithful to his covenant promises but in Jesus Christ. It is now impossible to have a covenantal relationship with God except through Jesus Christ, even for the Jews.

[Mrs. Don-o]

This is not a very well-informed article, as regards Catholic Doctrine and (or vs) papal diplomacy.

First, the author, Paul Eidelberg, says "given the doctrine of papal infallibility to which Roman Catholics genuflect, the rebirth of the Jewish state in 1948 must stick like a bone in the throat of any Bishop of Rome."

Given that no Pope has ever made an infallible or even Magisterial statement about the Jewish State of Israel --- as FReepers Petrosius and vladimir998 accurately pointed out --- this is a sophomorish gaffe on the part of Paul Eidelberg.

"For millennia the Church propagated the theological doctrine that the Jews are eternally damned and rejected by the Almighty for having refused to recognize the Nazarene."

Here Eidelberg offers a partial and rather tendentious rendering of Catholic Doctrine, which also teaches that those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the deity of Christ will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.

That means that all people have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church. To accurately present Catholic Doctrine, you would have to mention that Christ is described (in our Scriptures) as "the Light that enlightens every man who comes into the world." This implies that "every man" has his opportunity to turn toward the Light --- in a mysterious way that goes beyond what we can explain --- and be saved.

Note this is not "universalism," the notion that "all are saved." It's the doctrine that all COULD be saved, if they accept (however this happens) the Light.

Third example, Eidelberg makes the common mistake of thinking that every political, social or theological opinion he reads in some Catholic publication (like Civilta Cattolica 1827?) constitutes Catholic doctrine. This is not the case. I don't know where I put my early-19th-century archives of Civilta (Ha--- that was joke, son) but I'm pretty sure I could find contrasting views at some point in its publication history. Doctrines are not made in magazines postmarked Rome, even Jesuit ones.

Eidelberg may have some seriously important insights r analysis to share here. but it undermines his credibility when he gets such obvious things wrong.

It's like a sport writer who informs you in his first paragraph that Babe Ruth made the most touchdowns in baseball history. Maybe he has something interesting to say about Babe Ruth, but obviously this is not an author who really knows the game.

[safeasthebanks]

Excuse me but I wasn’t talking to you little girl. I think I hear your mommy calling.

[ronnietherocket3]

Professor Joseph Alois Ratzinger, who visited to Israel in 1975 and again in 1994, was not a naïve academic. He understood that an Arab-Islamic state in Israel’s heartland dooms the Jewish State. But given the doctrine of papal infallibility to which Roman Catholics genuflect, the rebirth of the Jewish state in 1948 must stick like a bone in the throat of any Bishop of Rome.

This is only an issue if the Jews re-establish the Sanhedrin. However, that is a formal impossibility due to the ending of semicha circa 380AD.

Stunned and embarrassed, Christian (as well as Islamic) theologians have had to perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to account for the return of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland.

I have never come across one who does. I am sure one could point to Protestants who have held similar views, but it is so easy in Protestantism to say that someone or another is not part of their church.

No wonder the Vatican refused, until recently, to recognize the Jewish State of Israel.

This was due to dry diplomatic disputes over various things like tax exemptions and property rights. This was not due to some conspiracy.

This passage from the Jesuit revue Civilta Cattolica tells it all:

Most published opinions in the Catholic Church are that: opinions. There are rules on what one is forbidden to believe (e.g., Peter was not the savior of mankind), rules on what must be believed (e.g., Jesus is the savior of mankind), and then there is a lot in between (e.g., Jesus called Peter to play a role in the salvation of makind).

By endorsing a sovereign Arab-Islamic state in Judea and Samaria, Pope Benedict (like Pope Francis) was instructing more than one billion Roman Catholics to support the enemies of the Jewish people whom he piously called “brothers.”

This falls outside the realm of faith and morals, ergo the statement is a fallible one.

[dp0622]

while since Catholics got bashed around here. I thought you guys were off of your game, I’m glad to see you’re still up to snuff. been a while since Catholics got bashed around here. I thought you guys were off of your game,I’m glad to see you’re still up to Snuff. I thought I heard it all the other day when someone from free Republic was basically saying he’d rather see America bombed and the Americans killed than Israelis. I’d rather see neither killed. But talk about over the top. Oh I’m sorry continue bashing Catholics because you won’t need us in a war against Muslims. Catholics in America could vote in 90 10 Republican and they’d still be hated ten times more on this board then if the Jews voted 90 10 Democrat. here’s an idea. Why not support both of us Israel and Catholics. And stop insulting my pope. For goodness sake get some class. I’ll lend you the money.

[dp0622]

I didn’t expect to see you here on the Catholic bash. a little disappointed. But that’s why it’s America. we’re free to say what we want.

[dp0622]

I’m not up on current events but aren’t you a piece of trash for insulting my pope?

[Mr. M.J.B.]

Perhaps 1000 years after the largest, most institutionalized, diabolical, homosexual pedophilia, rape organization in the history of the world stops raping *their own children* ... someone will care what they have to say.

Vatican finance minister rejects latest abuse allegations

By Josephine McKenna | July 28, 2016

http://religionnews.com/2016/07/28/vatican-finance-minister-rejects-latest-abuse-allegations/

“After a lengthy investigation, police have deemed eight accusers’ accounts are credible enough that they’re giving the evidence to prosecutors,” said David Clohessy, SNAP president, in a statement. “That speaks volumes.”

In the meantime I suggest studying what the "Bible" has to say about sodomy, rape, and harming children.

Leave Israel, the "Old Testament," the Prophets, and the Writings to Israel and Jews.

[Iscool]

That’s how we were healed: 1 Peter 2:24. Israel needs the Physician and yet they still reject Him.

That's a temporary manifestation...

[Iscool]

You need to reread Saint Paul. In Jesus Christ there is no longer any distinction between Jews and Gentiles.

That is 'in' Jesus Christ...Outside of Jesus there are still Jews/Israel...Israel has not been replaced by the Catholic religion...

All are now called, Jew and Gentile alike, to salvation in the one covenant of Jesus Christ. This is true Biblical doctrine.

However, Israeli's eyes have been blinded by God for a season (or three)...They have been put on hold while God deals with the Gentiles...Romans 9, 10, 11...

[Iscool]

Such a thing is clearly denied by Paul. As Paul taught, the Gentiles were grafted onto Israel to form one people.

Wrong...Gentiles were grafted onto the root which is Jesus Christ...We Gentiles did not become Jews, we became Christians...When Jews accept Christ, they are no longer Jews...They are Christians as well...Those who are not in Christ are Jews and Gentiles...

You are correct, God’s covenant with Israel is not null and void but it finds its completion in the one covenant in Jesus Christ.

Nope...The 'covenant' with the church is spiritual...The covenant with the Jews is physical...We Jews and Gentiles, ie, Christians will reign with Jesus Christ over the Jews and Gentiles who get saved during the Tribulation and go on physically into physical kingdom where Jesus physically sit on a physical throne in physical Jerusalem...

The 'church' will be celestial beings while the saved Jews/Gentiles that survive the Tribulation and walk on into the Millennial Reign will be terrestrial beings...

[Iscool]

Given that no Pope has ever made an infallible or even Magisterial statement about the Jewish State of Israel --- as FReepers Petrosius and vladimir998 accurately pointed out --- this is a sophomorish gaffe on the part of Paul Eidelberg.

So does the Catholic church have a position on the Nation of Israel??? It must have since it recognizes so called Palestine as state of its own...If so, you can perhaps give us the official position of the Catholic Church on the Nation of Israel...Will Israel ultimately end up in the promised land as God stated??? Will the promised land end up being divided with the so called Palestinians and Jordanians, the Iraqis and Syrians???

[MasterGunner01]

Pope Francis is a heretic that has drunk from the cup of the KGB created “Liberation Theology” doctrine of Christianity. He is an ignorant leftist that's found common cause with radical Islam and its Jew hatred. If the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem were still alive, he'd sign on to the ‘Final Solution to the Jewish Problem” with the Nazis and Muslims.