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Professors, Stop Opining About Trump
NYT ^ | 7/16/2016 | Stanley Fish

Posted on 07/25/2016 9:20:37 AM PDT by Borges

Professors are at it again, demonstrating in public how little they understand the responsibilities and limits of their profession.

On Monday a group calling itself Historians Against Trump published an “Open Letter to the American People.” The purpose of the letter, the historians tell us, is to warn against “Donald J. Trump’s candidacy and the exceptional challenges it poses to civil society.” They suggest that they are uniquely qualified to issue this warning because they “have a professional obligation as historians to share an understanding of the past upon which a better future may be built.”

Or in other words: We’re historians and you’re not, and “historians understand the impact these phenomena have upon society’s most vulnerable.” Therefore we can’t keep silent, for “the lessons of history compel us to speak out against Trump.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: academia; academicbias; antitrump; education; leftismoncampus; trump
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To: Borges

Yeah, because they’ve done such a good job of dumbing-down students that anyone would value their opinion.

Look at the lists...the vast majority are not historians anyhow.

I’m glad these Left Loons feel compelled to put their names on something so poorly compiled and published.

One would never guess, if the references to the profession of history were removed from the letter, that this was written by professors or had anything to do with the past at all.

It seems more like high school aged kids wrote their letter. There’s no cohesiveness in the arguments put forth and the letter has really nothing to do with historical context in any way, like one would expect from actual historians.

The letter is more like Democratic Party Talking Points - meaningless.

http://www.historiansagainsttrump.org/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-american-people.html#more


21 posted on 07/25/2016 10:02:49 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: reaganaut

Yeah, and the Professors conveniently omitted Islam butchering their neighbors for the last 1400 years.


22 posted on 07/25/2016 10:10:06 AM PDT by GunsAndBibles (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: reaganaut

Make it two. And I know two others.


23 posted on 07/25/2016 10:22:38 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Borges

Just another bunch of government employees wanting their gravy train to keep rolling.


24 posted on 07/25/2016 10:38:32 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("... and if a million more agree, there ain't no Great Society")
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To: Borges

They should wrap Fish in Newspaper and deliver him to the DNC Convention.


25 posted on 07/25/2016 10:40:55 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat Party. (Or the GOPe))
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To: Borges

Those who can’t, teach...


26 posted on 07/25/2016 10:51:26 AM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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To: Borges
When you own the media, you own the discourse.

Almost all leftist issues use elite terms like "scientist" or "professor" or "experts" to add perceived credence to their claims.

They also demean any conflicting opinion with negative terms like "deniers" and sometimes even degrade the discussion using insults like "mouth breathers".

27 posted on 07/25/2016 10:59:57 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am a historian and their work is all bunk.


28 posted on 07/25/2016 11:03:13 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Borges
Anyone remember that odious attack 42 years ago (1964) on Goldwater's suitability for the Presidency? Seized breathlessly from a biased and manipulated magazine 'survey', the media headline and firestorm was "... 1,189 Psychiatrists Say Goldwater is Psychologically Unfit to be President!"

Coming from a new magazine, FACT, and published in the Sept/Oct 1964 edition, the headlines disguised a majority of what 'facts' were found by the magazine's editor, Ralph Ginzburg, and a researcher/author, Walter Boronson. From an AMA list of 12k+ psychiatrists, the responses of 2,417 had the 1,189 declaring, without any professional examination, his unfitness. A great many people, from then to now, have regarded this as a violation of professional ethics. Their defense was that they thought the survey was private and informative!

This is an accepted logical fallacy under the term "Appeal to Authority" and is defined by these rules;
1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.

See any resemblance to this panel of 'historians'?

29 posted on 07/25/2016 11:16:34 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SES1066
Anyone remember that odious attack 42 years ago (1964) ...

Oops, math error - 52 years ago! Why no correction method!?!?

30 posted on 07/25/2016 11:20:45 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: Borges
As a matter of fact, I did read that, as well as the article and letter upon which the writer based his conclusions!!

From that letter, just one example: "Donald Trump’s contempt for constructive, evidence-based argumentation mocks the ideals of the academy, whether in the sciences or the liberal arts. Academia is far from the only profession endangered by Trumpism. Donald Trump bullies and suppresses the press, and seeks to weaken First Amendment protections as President. . . ." - Letter from Historians et al

Pardon me, but at its heart, isn't Trump's "argumentation" on the state of the economy and on the dangers of attacks from those who state their intentions to harm America "evidence-based"? Perhaps they should consider America's early mind-boggling progress from the use of crude tools in the wilderness to putting a man on the moon, as contrasted with the past few decades of backward stagnant growth.

As far as his stated objections to "the press" predicated on and limited to that segment of "the press" which provides evidence of its own affiliation with Party, instead of its pursuit of truth and objectivity?

As far as his stand on First Amendment protections, does Trump not loudly declare his objections to "politically correct" speech, which is, in fact, censorship, and relies on coercively-imposed restrictions on that speech which, in America, was intended to be speech which was unrestrained by political fiat or that which "offended" another human being?

As a matter of fact, that great champion of the rights of conscience and free speech, Thomas Jefferson, stated:

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Contrast that with the group think imposed on college and university students exposed to these haughty and arrogant "professors"!

These assorted mind controllers have concluded the view expressed by Thomas Jefferson here is dangerous and must be opposed. Their bias toward "progressivism" blinds them to the real intent and purpose of the First Amendment's protections.

So much for their joint warning to us!

31 posted on 07/25/2016 11:24:35 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Thank you. See my Post #31.


32 posted on 07/25/2016 11:55:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

The only thing a professor is good for is taking my extra rattas and giving me ratta candy.


33 posted on 07/25/2016 11:56:03 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Borges

History professors are sick and tired of climate scientist stealing the spotlight with “predictive models”.


34 posted on 07/25/2016 1:04:08 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: vette6387

Based on the list at the link, many or most of these beard scratching terds are not “historians” anyways. The list includes undergraduate students, social studies teachers, book dealers, librarians, etc. A list of self-important, deluded, liberal morons. As if anybody cares anyways.

Meh.


35 posted on 07/25/2016 2:32:28 PM PDT by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: loveliberty2

Fish is being critical of them.


36 posted on 07/25/2016 5:08:55 PM PDT by Borges
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