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Migrants and Smugglers Won’t Be Stopped by Donald Trump’s Wall, Ranchers Say
New York Times ^ | July 24, 2016 | DAN BARRY

Posted on 07/24/2016 3:58:58 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: euram; All
Motion activated Claymores along the base of the wall on the Mexico side.

This ain't rocket science. Build the freakin wall and lay down some deterrents.

101 posted on 07/24/2016 6:58:39 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: stonehouse01

Agree but the rubes with bobbing heads on the left will buy the NYT story they always do they are a useless lot.


102 posted on 07/24/2016 6:59:23 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: reaganaut1

Neither the great wall of China, nor the other great walls, were built with the idea of keeping out invaders. What they were intended to do was create an obstacle to raiders, quickly riding in, robbing and looting, and fleeing back home before they could be confronted and killed. The walls just slowed them down.

And in this, they worked as intended.

So what will a US wall do? It will *not* stop “all” illegal crossings. But that is not its intent. It will just add an obstacle to crossing, which alone may *reduce* the numbers of illegals crossing.

Right now, illegals move north in corridors. Passable areas without terrain obstacles, and near sources of water and roads. If *just* those corridors are blocked, it may reduce the number of illegals by 60%.

This is *very* cost-effective. But putting fence over land where crossings don’t often happen reduces things even further, perhaps another 15%, taking away the motivation to build roads on the Mexico side to facilitate crossing.

But it costs more, and has less effect, so it is less cost-effective. But 75% fewer illegal aliens are crossing.

The next step has been proposed by Donald Trump. This is to *tax* the money earned in the US which is then wired to Mexico. So Mexico does, in fact, “pay for the wall”.

This is a very good idea, because in effect it lowers the wages of Mexican nationals working in the US, precisely to wire back to Mexico their earnings. This makes working in the US a less attractive proposition.

And it they think they can hand carry it out of the US to Mexico, it will attract attention as being drug proceeds.

The next step is a peculiar one. Non-Mexican foreigners, including terrorists, will pay a premium to get into the US. The way to stop this cold is to offer a *bounty* on them, payable (anonymously) to Mexicans who inform on non-Mexican crossers.

Oddly enough, it does not have to be a great sum of money, and only works if the US catches the illegal non-Mexican crosser. Say $100 for just an ordinary illegal crosser. $500 if they are a “person of interest”, and $1,000 if they are a wanted terrorist or spy.

This is a good enough deal that even the ‘mules’ who would help them across the border would turn around and sell them out. Otherwise, every foreign crosser would be observed by a thousand hungry eyes.

Making our border airtight, at least to non-Mexicans.


103 posted on 07/24/2016 6:59:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The “Trump Wall “ is a methaphorical construct. One element will be strong law enforcement on the American side. A second will be strong effort on thew Mexican side.

The deal might also include an airborne invasion of a cartel village wiping it all out.


104 posted on 07/24/2016 7:02:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: reaganaut1

There is no free press only the Party propaganda of the left.


105 posted on 07/24/2016 7:08:39 AM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: ronnie raygun
Patrol with A-10s
106 posted on 07/24/2016 7:25:32 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: reaganaut1

Border ranchers have never wanted the wall and that is why we don’t have a wall.


107 posted on 07/24/2016 8:16:45 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Thermal and motion directed 20mm gun turrets every 1/4 mile will work.

Don’t need a wall. Just two 10’ chain link fences 100 meters apart with warnings (signs and audible/lasers/spots) that between the fences all life is shot to death without regard.

With detection comes 3 levels of warning then she opens up.


108 posted on 07/24/2016 8:17:31 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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To: reaganaut1

Walls work well. These border ranchers must don’t want the wall running across their property. Sorry but it has to be done is my response to them.


109 posted on 07/24/2016 8:37:03 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: moovova

I’ve always thought part of the solution is to give Americans a $1,000 for each illegal they turn in from a workplace and then fine the employer $10,000. The other is cut off all welfare bennies to illegals. Alabama did this and the place emptied out overnight til a Federal judge overturned it. Along with building the wall of course.


110 posted on 07/24/2016 9:19:36 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: euram

Mexico has a wall on it’s southern border.


111 posted on 07/24/2016 9:22:22 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: reaganaut1

Just trying to figure out which would be easier
to patrol, 90,000 square miles or 262 miles of border.

Duh!


112 posted on 07/24/2016 9:25:49 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SaraJohnson; reaganaut1

That I am not sure I agree with.

Mu son is a BP Agent in AZ and the ranchers are always welcoming the Agents and assist them, too.

The one’s that don’t want the wall, besides democRATS, liberals, progressives, academia, MSM talking-heads, are the Tohono O’odham indians that help the smugglers.

Most all of these indians are involved in the human/drug smuggling trade and don’t give a darned about protecting the desert eco-system. . .you know., their “sacred land.”

Ranchers want to protect their property from the criminal threat of the smugglers and the damage they inflict on their ranch land.


113 posted on 07/24/2016 10:48:38 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Please see my Post 109.


114 posted on 07/24/2016 10:49:25 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: jmaroneps37

The government has a history of doing one thing and then throwing up their hands and saying they have secured the border, nothing else to see here. There is concern that a wall will be built and nothing else, manpower will be cut, etc.

I think Trump is smart enough to know it will take several steps to secure the border and one piece alone will not do it.


115 posted on 07/24/2016 10:55:09 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Terrorism is not a crime, it is an act of war. Trump appears to understand this.

And Bush did not.

116 posted on 07/24/2016 11:11:25 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: refermech
Attacking the people that hire illegals is probably the most effective way. If nobody will hire them, they will leave.

No sugar, no ants.

117 posted on 07/24/2016 11:12:40 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Mr Rogers
It worked for them because they KILLED people who tried to cross.

Of course.I,for one,would have *no* problem see *our* side of the US/Mexico border "militarized"...a huge,strong wall and thousands and thousands of armed guards with orders to shoot to kill.Obviously the Mexicans would go bananas (as if that was unusual) as would Marxist here and abroad.

But the benefits would far,far,*far* outweigh the drawbacks

118 posted on 07/24/2016 11:33:00 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (What Did Loretta and BillyBob Discuss For 30 Minutes In Phoenix? Grandchildren?)
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To: thecodont

...and Bush (nor any other world leader with perhaps the exception of Putin) understands this.

The Religion of Peace is at war with the world.


119 posted on 07/24/2016 11:41:22 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (The government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: bjorn14

Excellent suggestions...maybe after Trump is in...?


120 posted on 07/24/2016 12:50:49 PM PDT by moovova
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