Posted on 07/21/2016 2:28:34 AM PDT by nikos1121
[Thursday, July 21, 2016/ 7:20 PM EDT]
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I’m replying to you what you wrote to me.
You didn’t need to reply back if you didn’t want to.
“If our Founders had all agreed on something, it would have been done; not to mention the fact that early on, most of those living here, from Europe, were PROTESTANTS and mainly from what is today the UK, Holland, and Germany.”
So if our first Congress had decided to pick one of the denominations found in the colonies and impose it as the established religion, that simply would have been done? I think not. They would have had another rebellion on their hands. There wasn’t that level of acceptance of other denominations, even other Protestant ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_religion_in_the_United_States#America_as_a_religious_refuge:_17th_century
“Our founders WERE a small group of the ELITE. Even uncouth Andy Jackson was a general.”
What about the individual contributions of all the colonial Americans who weren’t the leadership?
I know what I’m talking about.
You are a sad joke.
Are you a Christian and do you believe in the Bible?
One third of the colonists, didn't care, one third were loyal to the Kind and England, and one third were for the revolution and separating from the crown. Of that remaining third, those who were members of the Continental Congress were the wealthy/upper middle class, with a very few middle classers thrown in.
Of the first presidents, ALL were an ELITE class.
I'd give you an in depth history lesson, but you can't afford to pay my fee and I shan't do it for free. Now go away...I'm bored with feeding your masochism.
I’m more of a Christian than YOU are and my beliefs are none of your business. Bless your heart.....
I proved no such thing.
The views and beliefs of the public shaped the choices of the first leaders. The Constitution just wasn’t imposed top-down by autocrats. The leaders had the people to be accountable to. They weren’t their dictators and couldn’t have just imposed one religion sect as a state religion.
And I know all about that the colonists’ were split on supporting England versus supporting revolution. That isn’t the topic.
And I have never disputed that the first leaders were of the elite class. But I do dispute that they are essentially being given the credit for being the entire original U.S., and its only founders, versus all the little men and women who had beliefs and fought for them, too, and whose beliefs certainly influenced the form of our government.
I hardly ever listen to the radio.
I’m not too interested in enemy teams games, until it’s crunch time.
“I’m more of a Christian than YOU are and my beliefs are none of your business. Bless your heart.....”
Well, where’s your proof? As you’re attacking me personally, then it is my business, and that is all the more so since this site is about defending the Christian worldview and promoting Christian values and beliefs in politics. Since you’re promoting your beliefs and opinions here, identify what they are and where you’re coming from.
i don’t think it was a big deal. They were mostly all Protestants.
Here is what George Washington says in his Farewell Address:
“With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.”
He says it beautifully. SLIGHT SHADES OF DIFFRENCE.
aka No Big Deal between the denominations.
The fact that this nation is comprised of citizens other than those described above, is the reason for losing our cohesiveness.
That’s all I wanted to share about this.
Thank you.
Washington was apparently emphasizing what he saw as the commonalities among the people and in their religious beliefs.
But at the time, those differences were considerable, and led even to different Protestant groups persecuting each other. When I have more time, I can post more about that, but suffice to say that there were genuine and deep problems and differences among Puritans, Quakers, Baptists, Lutherans, and Anglicans, etc., and there were many Catholics and some Jews here as well.
And even where there was some acceptance to allow those of different sects to have their own churches and not try to interfere with them, that doesn’t mean that Lutherans and Baptists would have accepted an Anglican state religion established by Congress, or Anglicans and Puritans would have accepted a Baptist state religion established by Congress, etc. Certainly in establishing a Union, that was the danger, that one sect would grow the most powerful and establish itself as the national religion, if it were allowed to, and that would have been a public concern of the time.
Yes. For that reason, Congress was prohibited from promoting a particular sect, but States were not prohibited.
The states had certain things they were not permitted to do. Those were articulated in Article One, Section Ten. Establishing a State religion was not prohibited.
Oh yes. But there is perhaps some confusion here over the term “state.” I’ve been talking just about the First Amendment and the U.S. Congress being prohibited from establishing a religion, which would be the “state religion.” And that was not just the invention of Jefferson, but it was a pragmatic decision since most of the public wouldn’t have accepted any one sect being established as the national or state religion before all the others.
All of the "little people" texted Jefferson and told him what to write! ROTFLMSO !
You imagine that EVERYONE back then was "holy", behaved well, and believe whatever the bleeding hell you do? You're delusional! Franklin was a lousy husband and worse father. Jefferson was a spendthrift...on money he didn't have and expected his friend to pay his bills, Poor Hamilton was seduced and then blackmailed, Burr was a very nasty POS, and those "little people", whose lives you really don't know about...were just like people of today. Man doesn't change, only technology changes!
A "GOOD" Christian wouldn't behave as you do.
And didums, I've been on this site longer than you have and am still here.
We are electing a president and there's NOTHING in the Constitution, that specifies anything at all, there, about the president having to pass some kind of religious test, nor, sadly, even a moral one.
Please just go back to the religion section !
there will be no crunch time for the ChiSox
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/cubs-appear-close-to-sending-top-prospect-to-yankees-for-chapman/
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chapman
Yes, I agree.
My husband explained it to me in the same manner.
Cheers,
RWL
I also think some further clarification is needed here to clear up some misunderstanding.
When you are using the word “state”, it is not meant to mean each of the states, as in Vermont, New York, etc.
Rather, you mean the word “state”, as in the phrase “state of the Union”.
If I am correct in the above stated thought, THEN, we agree!
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