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TRUMP PICKS PENCE (NOW IT'S OFFICIAL!!)
twitter.com ^ | July 15, 2016

Posted on 07/15/2016 7:53:56 AM PDT by Helicondelta

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To: Just mythoughts
Ted Cruz is the deranged syndrome... his daddy prophesied that God would make him president to bring in the wealth to the priests

Lots of 'prophecies' have failed.


I wonder if THIS one will...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

481 posted on 07/16/2016 3:22:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Just mythoughts
... his daddy prophesied that God would make him president to bring in the wealth to the priests


"I Will Be a Second Mohammed"

In the heat of the Missouri 'Mormon War' of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

           "I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was "the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword". So shall it eventually be with us: "Joseph Smith or the Sword!" [1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking and troubling parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin.   In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters, but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to 'correct' the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the 'Inspired Version'  in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is 'correcting' it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural 'spin', both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. "I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book." [3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet's own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered 'infidels', pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed's followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Ali ibn Abi lib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." [4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230-231. Fawn Brodie's footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57-59, 97-129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8-9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6-7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408-409.


482 posted on 07/16/2016 3:24:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ASA Vet

Interesting choices. Steve King is not a lawyer. Has any previous atty. gen. been a non-lawyer?


485 posted on 07/16/2016 8:01:11 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence and Paul Nehlen 2016)
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Ultimately a safe, if dull, choice.

Regardless, this is still the best ticket we’ve had in 3 decades.


486 posted on 07/16/2016 10:53:32 AM PDT by WashingtonFire
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To: Fantasywriter

Trump’s own words on national tv Thursday night that he had not made his final choice, evidenced by the video link I posted, are “zero reliable evidence.” ?!

I choose to believe what Trump said. Any other “position” would be delusional.


487 posted on 07/16/2016 11:15:36 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Helicondelta

Will still vote Trump, but my enthusiasm level is a one on a scale of 100


488 posted on 07/16/2016 11:48:35 AM PDT by heights
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To: Jedidah

‘Dana Bash isn’t the only one saying Trump was having second thoughts.
I’ve heard oth CNN and FOX reporting this morning that even after Pence dropped out of his re-election campaign and flew to New York last night, Trump was still wavering. Can’t imagine how Pence must have felt about that. Then Newt said this morning that he had not received word that he was out of the race.
I would assume that Trump’s tweet sealed the deal, but not before some serious drama.
Circus.’

My original objection stands. The MSM started a lie/smear about Trump “wavering,” which could have but one purpose: to make Trump look bad. Conservatives are the last people who should give creedance to every anti-Trump lie and smear the MSM puts out.

Trump’s inner circle did not contact Bash, CNN and/or FOX and cast Trump in a bad light. It was a smear, pure and simple. Our job was to reject, not reinforce, it.


489 posted on 07/16/2016 11:49:35 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: lodi90
Liar. Concern troll much?

Whatever, genius. Grow up.

490 posted on 07/16/2016 12:42:56 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Helicondelta

bkmk


491 posted on 07/16/2016 3:14:06 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; NFHale; ...

Amusing, this music played when Trump introduced Pence. I got “Shazam” on my phone that’s how I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdiG-9CDa0

The rally just used the instrumental, obviously. The lyrics sound like what would happen if Hillary wins.


492 posted on 07/16/2016 10:41:21 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: sailor76

Maybe it’s still time for TRUMP to change his mind ....After the Convention ?

Unless this is “only” a strategy for the Convention after which he should bring Newt , Cristi and others on the frontline , on stage .

TRUMP must keep his stance of independant anti-establishment ....TO WIN against croocked Hillary


493 posted on 07/17/2016 2:22:13 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Sacajaweau

Here is your serving of crow.

Beck: If Cruz Endorses Trump There Is No One in Washington I Can Trust

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3450215/posts


494 posted on 07/17/2016 10:06:45 AM PDT by Fhios (Trump is success waiting to happen.)
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