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To: ctdonath2

But Islam is not just a “religion,” it’s a totalitarian system that demands of its adherents that they wage jihad against the world until it submits to Islam under Sharia Law.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the USA. Sharia is the supreme law to devout Muslims. Sharia, which orders the stoning to death of gays and rape victims, etc.


25 posted on 07/15/2016 5:24:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

We can still reconcile & resolve the problem without trampling the 1st.
- Oath of loyalty means something
- Any enemy action will be dealt with severely
- Investigations will be thorough despite religion (just consider it a valid data point, can do that without bigotry).

I’m just concerned we adhere to core principles and not abandon them.


39 posted on 07/15/2016 5:48:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: Travis McGee

Just so!

The Constitution is not a suicide pact!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

“The Constitution is not a suicide pact” is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people. It is most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, as a response to charges that he was violating the United States Constitution by suspending habeas corpus during the American Civil War. Although the phrase echoes statements made by Lincoln, and although versions of the sentiment have been advanced at various times in American history, the precise phrase “suicide pact” was first used by Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago, a 1949 free speech case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The phrase also appears in the same context in Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court decision written by Justice Arthur Goldberg.

Thomas Jefferson offered one of the earliest formulations of the sentiment, although not of the phrase. In 1803, Jefferson’s ambassadors to France arranged the purchase of the Louisiana territory in conflict with Jefferson’s personal belief that the Constitution did not bestow upon the federal government the right to acquire or possess foreign territory. Due to political considerations, however, Jefferson disregarded his constitutional doubts, signed the proposed treaty, and sent it to the Senate for ratification. In justifying his actions, he later wrote:

“A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means.”


71 posted on 07/15/2016 10:49:06 AM PDT by Taxman ((H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.))
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