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To: BroJoeK
Brojoke: You gave this Lincoln quote.....

“The Government will not assail you.
You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors.””

But you did not think this one was important?

“The words `coercion' and `invasion' are in great use about these days.

"What, then, is `coercion'? What is `invasion'? Would the marching of an army into South California, for instance, without the consent of her people, and in hostility against them, be coercion or invasion? I very frankly say, I think it would be invasion, and it would be coercion too, if the people of that country were forced to submit.” - Abraham Lincoln, February 11, 1861

He sent the Navy down to do just that two months later.

Lincoln: "But what about my tariff."

708 posted on 07/19/2016 1:04:38 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge; rockrr; x
PeaBrain alleging a quote by Lincoln, February 11, 1861: "Would the marching of an army into South California, for instance, without the consent of her people, and in hostility against them, be coercion or invasion?
I very frankly say, I think it would be invasion, and it would be coercion too..."

PeaBrain: "He sent the Navy down to do just that two months later."

Wrong again.
In January, 1861, President Buchanan sent a civilian ship (Star of the West) to resupply Fort Sumter, which was fired on by secessionists, and withdrew without accomplishing its mission.
In April 1861, President Lincoln again sent a civilian ship (SS Baltic) this time escorted by warships, to resupply Fort Sumter.
This time Confederates used Lincoln's resupply mission as their excuse to launch Civil War.

PeaBrain quoting Lincoln: 'But what about my tariff.' "

You pro-Confederates insist "Lincoln's tariff" was the only reason for the resupply mission to Fort Sumter.
In fact, tariffs did play a role in Lincoln's thinking, as he explained publically in his declaration of blockade of Confederate ports (April 19, 1861):

So Lincoln's blockade was certainly and publically connected to collecting tariffs in Confederate ports.
But none of this happened before Confederates started war at Fort Sumter.

762 posted on 07/23/2016 7:47:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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