[BroJoeK]

DiogenezLamp: "Fantasy is the notion that a Nation founded on the God given principle of Independence, should think it appropriate to fight against other people's right to Independence. "

But your very definition is a fantasy.
The United States went to war in 1861 to defeat the military power that threatened it, assaulted it and declared war on it.
So "independence" alone did not and could not start war.
Military actions could and did.

[HangUpNow]

The United States went to war in 1861 to defeat the military power that threatened it, assaulted it and declared war on it.

And you actually believe that crap?? "Military power"?? HA! Man, what a bizarre delusion. Nice propaganda.

Lincoln-the-Fascist coerced by bloody force those whose FREE WILL and personal/State sovereignty were violated. He also violated the rights of many young men in the North of whom did not want to be drafted just to bleed and die for Lincoln's puppetmeister Yankee Elites.

DL had it exactly right.