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To: PeaRidge
which ideas?

I forget what he called it, but this idea of killing your own race for the benefit of another race. I had never heard of this before, and it seems contrary to evolution.

I don't really think that is what Lincoln set out to do, I think that is just the unforeseen consequence of what he actually did. I am still pretty convinced that the need for war on the part of the Union was entirely economic.

Lincoln was pretty much a blatant racist. Before getting elected to public office, he was an official of an organization intent on deporting blacks to other countries. He did not want them here in this country.

Also the idea that Lincoln was homosexual. I've heard this alleged by homosexual history revisionists but I never gave it any credence until Dr. Pieczenik said there are known instances of Lincoln sleeping with men.

Where did he get this from? Also, how does he distinguish this from the normal practice of the time of travelers sharing a bed? In those days, it was not at all uncommon for male travelers to sleep in the same bed because separate beds or rooms were generally not available, and so they had no choice if they wanted to get some sleep but there was nothing even remotely sexual about it.

1,737 posted on 11/22/2016 6:18:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I used to conduct training seminars on various issues in human interactions, and frequently participants would bring up psycho-sexual conditions as rationale for hostile behavior. It was always an interesting topic, and sometimes established (based on more speculation than fact) as a motivating factor, but I don't see it motivating Lincoln to start a war.

If I understand you correctly, killing your own race for the benefit of another (as you described it) is not contrary to evolution. You see it every day in the animal world and endless examples in human aggression. It is based on competition, and in some cases in human warfare, on simple anger or revenge.

In Lincoln's situation, he faced the humiliation of a split Union which would destroy his and his party's political future.

But more immediate was the US Treasury's pending collapse. There are many authors who have speculated on his options for financing the government, but borrowing at a reasonable interest rate was going to be impossible.

He also had Seward and Chase making his life miserable and prepared to kill his political power if he proposed a direct tax.

Visiting the anger/revenge motivation, there had been decades of conflict between North and South, with extensive animosity between the regions. As long as commerce and trade functioned along with Congressional equality, so did the country. But animosity creeped into the political arena (Charles Sumner et. al.) and eventually led to politicians using the power of legislation to enact unfair laws. Solution? Secession.

Pollard put it well:

"He had been visited by a number of governors of the Northern States. They offered him money and men; but it was understood that nothing would be done in the way of calling out the State militia and opening special credits, until the Southern revolutionists should be actually in aggression to the authority of the Federal government. Another appeal was still more effectively urged. It was the argument of the partisan.

The report of the intended evacuation of Fort Sumter, and the apparent vacillation of the administration, were producing disaffection in the Black Republican party. This party had shown a considerable loss of strength in the municipal elections in St. Louis, Cincinnati, and other parts of the West they had lost two congressmen in Connecticut and two in Rhode Island.

The low tariff, too, of the Southern Confederacy, brought into competition with the high protective tariff which the Black Republican majority in Congress had adopted, and which was popularly known as “the Morrill Tariff,” was threatening serious disaster to the interests of New England and Pennsylvania, and was indicating the necessity of the repeal of a law which was considered as an indispensable party measure by the most of Mr. Lincoln’s constituents.

1,739 posted on 11/23/2016 9:04:32 AM PST by PeaRidge
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