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To: jmacusa
all to support the right of one human being to own another

And the hypocrisy of this statement is just unbelievable! As has been demonstrated countless times, the war was not started to "end slavery." In fact, Slavery continued in the Union longer than it did in the Confederacy.

Even Lincoln's own cabinet member, Secretary of State Seward said of the Emancipation Proclamation:

"We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free."

Even Seward thought it was a cynical ploy to placate the rubes who were foolish enough to believe it justified the murders they committed in stopping Southern Independence.

The British were not fooled either. The London Spectator wrote:

The Government liberates the enemy's slaves as it would the enemy's cattle, simply to weaken them in the coming conflict....The principle asserted is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.

That the war was fought to end slavery is just a Liberal Con-Job lie to justify the bloodshed they caused, AFTER THE FACT.

It was a propaganda, and that is all.

1,157 posted on 09/27/2016 8:32:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa
DiogenesLamp: "And the hypocrisy of this statement is just unbelievable!
As has been demonstrated countless times, the war was not started to "end slavery."
In fact, Slavery continued in the Union longer than it did in the Confederacy. "

No, the Confederacy provoked, launched and declared war on the United States to defeat the Union's potential threat to its own now Confederate-Constitution mandated slavery.

No, slavery was not Confederates' first motive in starting war, but it was easily their second.

Northerners in 1860 were willing to tolerate slavery in the South for sake of Union.
But they were certainly not willing to allow Confederate aggressions against Union troops to go unanswered.

DiogenesLamp: "Even Seward thought it was a cynical ploy to placate the rubes who were foolish enough to believe it justified the murders they committed in stopping Southern Independence."

In fact, Seward had been Lincoln's rival but became his strongest supporter, considering Lincoln "the best among us".
Seward was a New York abolitionist whose only concerns about Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation came from tactical considerations on how best to defeat the Confederacy.
Seward supported the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery in 1865.

DiogenesLamp: "That the war was fought to end slavery is just a Liberal Con-Job lie to justify the bloodshed they caused, AFTER THE FACT.
It was a propaganda, and that is all."

Civil War began to destroy or preserve the Union and became also an effort to protect or abolish slavery which most Northerners considered morally wrong and many Southerners would rather die than give up.

Those are facts of history, FRiend, not propaganda.

1,212 posted on 10/01/2016 7:06:39 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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