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To: jmacusa; BroJoeK
I notice you don't try to attempt to refute what he says.

I occasionally fire back at him, but debating a cultist is usually a waste of time. Nothing you say, no evidence you present, no logic or reason, will dent the wall of protection people place around their dogma.

Seriously, a guy that equates Pearl Harbor to Ft. Sumter is simply too far "out there" to spend much time on.

I have put forth what I believe is a very reasonable and easily demonstrable argument as to what caused the civil war. (boils down to money) BroJoeK even sent me a link that makes almost exactly the same argument I am making, but with more scholarly references and such.

Presumably he read it, and if *THAT* man's citations and quotes won't persuade him, how can I hope to do so just by pointing out where all the money came from, and where it ended up?

This is not a reality based discussion we are having. With BroJoeK it's always "Rah Rah the Union!" and nothing else.

1,151 posted on 09/26/2016 4:34:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Cut the crap sonny. The man is handing your head to you and he’s making you look more like the fool you are. You’re carrying the torch for the cause that split the nation in two and caused the bloodiest war in American history all to support the right of one human being to own another and in my book that makes you someone who supports slavery.


1,152 posted on 09/26/2016 6:54:49 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; jmacusa
DiogenesLamp: "Seriously, a guy that equates Pearl Harbor to Ft. Sumter is simply too far "out there" to spend much time on."

Deny it until you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that in terms of their effects on United States public opinion and leadership actions events like Fort Sumter, Pearl Harbor and September 11, 2001 are identical.

Sure, you can argue that Fort Sumter was "minor", but it was certainly not "minor" compared to total US Army strength in early 1861 nor "minor" in its effect, after many previous provocations, on US public opinion.

1,207 posted on 10/01/2016 6:32:57 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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