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House drops Confederate Flag ban for veterans cemeteries
politico.com ^ | 6/23/16 | Matthew Nussbaum

Posted on 06/23/2016 2:04:08 PM PDT by ColdOne

A measure to bar confederate flags from cemeteries run by the Department of Veterans Affairs was removed from legislation passed by the House early Thursday.

The flag ban was added to the VA funding bill in May by a vote of 265-159, with most Republicans voting against the ban. But Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) both supported the measure. Ryan was commended for allowing a vote on the controversial measure, but has since limited what amendments can be offered on the floor.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 114th; confederateflag; dixie; dixieflag; nevermind; va
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To: eyedigress
The civil war was not about slavery and never will be.

Of course it was. It is central to every sub-argument that any lost causer makes. Money, culture, historical precedent, geography, "states-rights" - they all exist as a factor because slavery was a component.

181 posted on 06/25/2016 3:08:37 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jmacusa
Guess you’ve never read the Confederate Constitution, have you?

It is not what the Confederate Constitution said about slavery that caused the Union to invade it. It was what it said about being independent of the Union's financial controls that convinced the Union that it had to be invaded.

The South's reasons for leaving don't matter. Presumably if they left because they didn't like Northern grown apples, the Union would still have invaded. It is the North's reasons for sending men to die to stop Independence that matter.

Those reasons boil down to money. Who would lose it, and who would gain it.

182 posted on 06/25/2016 3:10:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: rdl6989

The Marco Rubio Foam Party.


183 posted on 06/25/2016 3:10:56 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: rockrr
Of course it was. It is central to every sub-argument that any lost causer makes. Money, culture, historical precedent, geography, "states-rights" - they all exist as a factor because slavery was a component.

And yet you still can't address the fact that the North was getting 90% of the money from exports instead of the 28% they earned.

Ugly slave profits kept them pacified. When the profits stopped, the war started. They wanted their slave profit money.

184 posted on 06/25/2016 3:13:26 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

I have. Slavery in the US was an accepted practice. Most of these people from Africa sold by Muslims to traders in Boston.

It became the rally point for the North when in reality it was going away by its own volition. 40 acres and a mule!

Uh huh.........

It was the river............


185 posted on 06/25/2016 3:15:47 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: rockrr

Just the same as Brexit is about Nationalism.


186 posted on 06/25/2016 3:18:42 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: rockrr

What I would love for you revisionist history buffs is to bring the Caribbean into it.

Be careful, Uncle Joe and his Rum own that one.


187 posted on 06/25/2016 3:33:07 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: eyedigress

The revisionism is all on the part of the lost causers.


188 posted on 06/25/2016 3:35:27 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Would you then agree that losing 600,000 people on both sides of a states rights issue was a lost cause?


189 posted on 06/25/2016 3:41:01 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: eyedigress

Sure.


190 posted on 06/25/2016 3:42:01 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Play your Duran Duran and don’t expect a card on your birthday.

Your an idiot.


191 posted on 06/25/2016 3:46:16 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: eyedigress

Opinions vary.


192 posted on 06/25/2016 3:50:38 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jmacusa

And after the end of the war, the flag that still flew over those slave states that DID NOT join the South, and slavery was still legal, was the Stars ans Stripes. Most of those UNION SLAVE STATES did not release their slaves until the 13th Amendment was passed eight months after the end of the war.


193 posted on 06/25/2016 7:16:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jmacusa

194 posted on 06/25/2016 7:29:45 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: eyedigress

Actually due to recent research the number of dead has been put at 750,000. Thank you Jeff Davis and Robert E. Lee.


195 posted on 06/25/2016 7:31:07 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

This is supposed to do what? Educate me somehow that the Republican Party was not anti-slavery because of one vicious cartoon?


196 posted on 06/25/2016 7:32:38 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The North invaded the South? Jeez, I like how you left out that little dust up at Ft. Sumter. Why don’t you put out your f**king lamp and go to sleep. It’s past your bed time.


197 posted on 06/25/2016 7:34:33 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hear hear, Laz. There are some seriously overwrought claims being made on this thread. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.


198 posted on 06/25/2016 7:37:53 PM PDT by American Quilter (Indict Herself)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Oh please. That’s a bulsh!t arguement. New Jersey had exactly four blacks who were in ‘’indentured servitude’’. While not a a morally acceptable situation it can hardly be called slavery as it pertained to what it was in the South. My home state never had cotton plantations. You’re talking about The Stars And Stripes as being the flag of slavery sounds exactly what those idiot lefties say about the Confederate flag. The same then could be said for the Gadston Flag or The Bonnie Blue.


199 posted on 06/25/2016 7:39:47 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: American Quilter
Hear hear, Laz. There are some seriously overwrought claims being made on this thread. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

The seriously overwrought claims gave me pancreatic cancer and also have directly killed millions. People who made the claims caused galaxy-swallowing black holes.

Damn them.

Damn them to hell.

200 posted on 06/25/2016 7:41:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Hillary: "Weapons of war have no place on our streets."... Laz: "Muslims are weapons of war.")
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