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TWA 800: Jim Kallstrom’s Road to Redemption
American Thinker ^ | June 20, 2016 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 06/20/2016 11:33:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Swordmaker

The thoroughly corrupted CIA dutifully produced a fraudulent video to support the great lie, protecting Clinton’s re-election chances. The CIA is so full of liars and anti-Republic operatives, so thyoroughly sold out to evil that NOTHING they issue to the public should be believed to any degree. And now a devil son, Brennan, is running that thoroughly corrupted agency! The FBI are also completely compromised, working for the oligarchy not the rule of law in a Constitutional Republic.


241 posted on 06/24/2016 12:08:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Moonman62

Go ahead refute my point. I’ll stand on the fact that no one knows how the weight shift proceeded including the NTSB. So postulating the plane climbed through the stall is pure conjecture.


242 posted on 06/24/2016 12:16:40 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: CodeToad

Ah, but it IS the job of some government stooges to defend all lies from the CIA/Fed.


243 posted on 06/24/2016 12:58:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN

“Ah, but it IS the job of some government stooges to defend all lies from the CIA/Fed.”

You didn’t see me do that so I hope you are not implying I was.


244 posted on 06/24/2016 1:02:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Moonman62; ml/nj; Roccus; gaijin; batterycommander; CodeToad; Doogle; bobby.223; VTenigma; GBA; ...
According to the NTSB the cargo shift occurred at rotation. The aircraft did fly and gain altitude until it stalled. Swordmaker claimed an unbalanced aircraft with a rearward shift in the center of gravity can’t fly or gain altitude. I offered the video as a counterexample.

No. Did you even read the NTSB report in its entirety? I did. That accident was a complex cause accident which also involved the destruction of the hydraulic controls to the rear control surfaces which prevented the pilots from gaining control of the aircraft. The event initiated when the aircraft started its take off climb under full power to the engines and was only 33 feet off the ground, when one or more of the very heavy military vehicles it was carrying broke free and shifted to the rear of the cargo bay breaking the rear bulkhead, and along with it the hydraulic lines and data cables to the 'black box" data recorders. Even so, it was still under lift for a VERY short time before stalling because they had power to their engines (I was wrong, the recording from the windshield camera did pick up a faint engine sound under enhancement according to the NTSB report).

The entire flight, according to the NTSB record, from time the wheels left the ground through stall, and crash was a mere 33 seconds. From what I have been able to learn about that take off, it is quite normal for planes to use a very quick, steep take off after roll out from Bagram due to the very real threat of ground-to-air missiles. What was shown was a normal Bagram climb out take off until the initiating event and an almost instantaneous stall condition as the plane lost pitch. proper angle of attack, and hence lift. After the aircraft stalled, it did not fly. If fell like a rock. No lift occurred at all.

245 posted on 06/24/2016 1:14:16 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: CodeToad

Not you, definitely not you!


246 posted on 06/24/2016 1:21:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: CodeToad
P.S. I am sure you remember Clinton’s reign of terror. He was a tyrant and destroyed anyone and anything that even remotely threatened him. As bad as Obama is, Clinton was every bit as bad. Clinton tore through the military and intelligence services like a raging monster. He fired everyone that even remotely challenged him. He destroyed long standing military careers. He gave away entire agent lists to foreign nations (main reason I left the services).

Yes, I very much recall that reign of error and terror. He also took credit for things he was not entitled to which he did not earn. . . and, as always, the Democrat propaganda arm looked the other way.

247 posted on 06/24/2016 1:23:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

You still have no evidence of a timeline of the weight and balance shift, no one can know that not even the NTSB. At what point did the weight shift overcome the ability of the wing to provide lift and the stall occur? No on can precisely tell, no one knows how the weight shift occurred in relation to time. I’m done with this discussion.


248 posted on 06/24/2016 1:24:33 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Lazamataz
I got right up close to the television, a 46" CRT model.

‘Property of the CIA’.

Later, I saw that same graphic repeatedly used, but NOW it said, “Property of the FAA’.

All one can say to that is "WOW!"

249 posted on 06/24/2016 1:25:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: VTenigma

“No on can precisely tell, no one knows how the weight shift occurred in relation to time. I’m done with this discussion.”

You were done when you asked such a bad question. If you knew what you were asking you’d know how ridiculous it is.


250 posted on 06/24/2016 1:44:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Swordmaker

“ballistic fall, a parabolic arc:”

A Inverse Cosecant arc, actually. Not being picky, just informative.


251 posted on 06/24/2016 1:50:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Moonman62
What have you done? Why should I believe you rather than the NTSB?

Because, unlike other investigations, the NTSB refuses to release their calculations claiming they are proprietary to Boeing, yet Boeing says they are not.

252 posted on 06/24/2016 1:54:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: CodeToad
You didn’t see me do that so I hope you are not implying I was.

There are some who did their jobs with honor and still do.

253 posted on 06/24/2016 1:57:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: CodeToad
A Inverse Cosecant arc, actually. Not being picky, just informative.

I will accept the correction. Thanks. I appreciate it. As I outlined in the timeline, it would be altered with some occasional lift from the wings applying forces in random directions as the aircraft fell.

254 posted on 06/24/2016 2:07:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

No you are being deliberately obtuse. There is a difference between “flying” and merely “hurtling: i.e., being airborne in an uncontrolled, unsupported manner.”

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If you don’t like “flying,” gaining altitude is sufficient. Obviously, the plane gained altitude.


255 posted on 06/24/2016 2:12:32 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Swordmaker

If you read the entire NTSB report then you would know that the plane could have kept flying normally if they they hadn’t lost pitch control due to the hydraulic damage.

In other words, the aircraft would have been capable of flight in spite of a large shift in the center of gravity to the rear. That was my original point.


256 posted on 06/24/2016 2:19:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62
If you don’t like “flying,” gaining altitude is sufficient. Obviously, the plane gained altitude.

If you are talking about the Bagram 747-400, it did because it was under power until it stalled when the aircraft could no longer maintain a proper angle of attack to maintain lift. Then it fell like a rock.

257 posted on 06/24/2016 2:21:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: VTenigma

First of all, a wing doesn’t provide lift once it stalls. We probably agree on that.

My original point to Swordmaker is that a plane can fly even when it’s unbalanced with a rearward shift to the center of gravity. The accident report said the Bagram 747 could have flown without crashing in spite of the rearward cargo shift if the hydraulics hadn’t been damaged.


258 posted on 06/24/2016 2:24:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: DesertRhino

I don’t know if it is fielded yet, but in fact subs can now launch AA missiles, though generally not to the altitude of TWA800:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDAS_(missile)

The US system is more advanced, though I vaguely recall it is ejected out of somewhere extremely unlikely, like the garbage ejector.


259 posted on 06/24/2016 2:24:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Follow up:

Those sub AAM systems were not operational at the time of TWA800.


260 posted on 06/24/2016 2:25:54 PM PDT by gaijin
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