Posted on 06/18/2016 11:08:48 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll
Ah, yes. The old "our current Constitution is illegitimate and illegal" argument.
See Post 21.
How? Ratification is required.
“.....they want to REINSTATE it.”
I see NO good coming out of a convention of states given the political make up of the US today.
An Article V Convention of States WILL wind up re-writing the Constitution and I have little faith towards the good. How many people like the original Founders do you see in the US? Me neither!
Put me down as agin it!
[I assume you mean current Constitution]. This is not strictly true. Some parts are obeyed and some parts not. We still have a Congress, a President and a Supreme Court, for instance. We still hold elections every 2 years. So far, 0bama has not overstayed his term limit.
It is the structural parts that are obeyed and those need to be modified - such as term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court, for instance. Congress would never vote for that but a Convention probably would.
Being a distraction is the ultimate issue here.
They’d have to get anything past enough flyover states to leave only 12 holdouts. Corruption is nothing new. Most people favored the crown in Revolutionary era America.
Regulations and bans are nothing compared to bribes. If it were not for the bribes, nobody would stand for the regulations and bans.
The Court is America’s constitutional Achilles heel and would stay so even if it had to be repopulated every two Presidential terms.
The Bork Amendment, which provides for a supermajority of Congress to be able to nullify any court decision, allows for one safety valve there. The late Scalia knew of the problem and lamented it worse than any policy the court might come up with.
leave our present Constitution alone we have enough problems electing people that will obey it.
This is true, but I didn't want to get quite wrapped up in that... I loathe corruption in our government.
The Constitution was made by and for Anglo-Americans. It's provisions could be stretched to accommodate West Europeans by reason of similar cultures and work ethic.. The current demographics are Third World parasites who will seek ever expanding "Freebies." LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE. Study the background and proceedings of the First Convention.
That is up to each state legislature. The could send one delegate or 100. Still only one vote. Up to them.
It was NOT corruption to favor the crown it was a political decision. The Revolutionary and Civil Wars were largely political in nature; i.e. how should we be governed. Today the politicians want only power, perks , position and money. The latter IS CORRUPTION.
I believe Article V is the only hope for change.
The operating system needs to be corrected.
Yes, it does. The Convention will have NO POWER to CHANGE ANYTHING, only propose amendments, which is what Congress can do now. Why hasn't Congress proposed eliminating the 2nd Amendment?
What you state is not an answer. It is the left wing quality of the legislatures of the states I named; i.e. California, Illinois etc. etc. You are delivering our Republic right into the hands of extreme leftists all for purposes of following some slogan.
Of course. I did not mean to imply that term limits are all that is necessary. I believe the 17th Amendment should be repealed. I think we also need a State Repeal Amendment (similar to The Bork Amendment but without Congress being involved); a balanced budget/revenue limit amendment; perhaps others.
There are more state legislature controlled by Republicans today that at any time in the last century.
I do not see doing nothing as a viable alternative. What is your plan to accomplish your objectives?
I wouldn't call it a "con," but I doubt they're entirely serious. If you want an 18th century constitution, you need an 18th century population that puts 18th century demands and restrictions on government. If you can't get that, if people want more from government and don't want to live with government on an 18th century scale, you won't get what you want, and are better off sticking with what we have -- making it better to be sure, but not scrapping it thinking that you'll get anything like the Constitution of 1787 to replace it. Because you won't.
There are a few changes that might be worth considering, especially if they had the punishments already described. OneWingedShark's Amendment Booklet gives some ideas how, esp. Sections 6 & 8 of his "Fiscal Responsibility" Amendment.
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