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U.S. says it will stay in Black Sea despite Russian warning
reuters.com ^ | 06/17/2016

Posted on 06/18/2016 9:20:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Russia criticized NATO discussions about a creating a permanent force in the Black Sea.

"If a decision is made to create a permanent force, of course, it would be destabilizing, because this is not a NATO sea," Russian news agencies quoted senior Foreign Ministry official Andrei Kelin as saying.

Russia, which annexed Ukraine's Crimea in 2014, has its own Black Sea Fleet based at Sevastopol.

The NATO summit takes place as relations between Russia and the alliance are severely strained over Moscow's role in the Ukraine crisis and in Syria. While Russia says it poses no threat to alliance, NATO is considering what to do to counter what it sees as growing Russian aggression.

Mabus said the United States follows the rules of the Montreux Convention, which states that countries without a Black Sea coastline cannot keep their warships there for more than 21 days. NATO members Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria are all Black Sea Basin countries.

Bulgaria appeared to buckle to Russian pressure on Thursday. Prime Minister Boiko Borisov said he would not join a proposed NATO fleet in the Black Sea because it should be a place for holidays and tourists, not war.

Also increasing tensions with Moscow is the U.S. Navy's deployment of two aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean ahead the NATO summit as Washington seeks to balance an increase in Russian military activities in the Mediterranean.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; blacksea; shipmovement; usnavy
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1 posted on 06/18/2016 9:20:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Beware of a “Wag the Dog” I do not trust Obama one millimeter or Kerry either.


2 posted on 06/18/2016 9:24:20 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Oil the gun, eat the cannolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: BenLurkin

Obama sure likes to stir the pot, doesn’t he?


3 posted on 06/18/2016 9:27:27 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: BenLurkin

I fail to see any US or NATO interests in the Black Sea unless the NATO members are actually endangered. Let’s not go looking for trouble.


4 posted on 06/18/2016 9:31:59 AM PDT by Enchante (No lipstick on the PIAPS!! #NeverSHRILLARY)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Also increasing tensions with Moscow is the U.S. Navy’s deployment of two aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean ahead the NATO summit as Washington seeks to balance an increase in Russian military activities in the Mediterranean.”

The U.S. Navy in the Mediterranean Sea or the Black Sea should not and does not increase tensions.

The U.S. Navy goes where ever it pleases.


5 posted on 06/18/2016 9:34:30 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Enchante
The US has the same strategic interest in the Black Sea as it does in the Baltic Sea. In others words, no interest at all.
6 posted on 06/18/2016 9:36:45 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Enchante

Romania is a NATO member, and is being threatened by Russia.


7 posted on 06/18/2016 9:38:14 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Enchante

You have to keep a presence unless you want to yield the Black Sea to Russian demands.

Global international waterways should be accessible.

Putin is a global tyrant.

We have made no demands that Russia stay out. We have as much right to as he does.


8 posted on 06/18/2016 9:38:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: Leaning Right

“The US has the same strategic interest in the Black Sea as it does in the Baltic Sea. In others words, no interest at all.”

Are there any other international waters that you would like the United States to cede to the Russians?


9 posted on 06/18/2016 9:41:45 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

The US, of course, has every right to sail in the Baltic Sea and in the Black Sea.

Just as Russia has every right to sail just off the coast of Virginia, and China has every right to sail just off the coast of California.

But I’d rather all of the countries mentioned above not replace “has every right to” with “must”.


10 posted on 06/18/2016 9:48:55 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is stupid on our part. Like the Russians keeping a fleet in Long Island Sound.


11 posted on 06/18/2016 9:50:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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I am not an isolationist, but I am a realist. Every day we have tens of thousands of troops and equipment deployed throughout Europe to protect Europe is a day we are transferring billions from our economy into Europe's.

Time for them to either start picking up the massive amounts of slack or start paying through the nose. Let's start by exempting every single service member while in Europe from ANY VAT or other taxes. Direct credit card companies to do chargebacks for every VAT charged to a service member making a purchase under any condition. If they squawk too much, extend it to their dependents as well.

A small step which will save American service members billions over a year and really give Europe a big dose of reality just how much money we are blowing to cover their socialist utopia.

12 posted on 06/18/2016 9:54:09 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Timpanagos1

US warships may sail freely in the Black Sea under a freedom of the seas claim, but their passage through the Dardanelles is not free, in fact, it is quite restricted by treaty.


13 posted on 06/18/2016 10:06:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The polls can have a strong influence on the weak-minded)
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To: Enchante
I fail to see any US or NATO interests in the Black Sea

Six countries border the Black Sea. Three of them are NATO members...

14 posted on 06/18/2016 10:16:23 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: BenLurkin

Look for Russia to join NATO.


15 posted on 06/18/2016 10:18:49 AM PDT by null and void (Hillary Milhouse Clinton: I'm not a c-c-c-crook! Crook! Yeah, that's the c-word I was looking for!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
This is stupid on our part. Like the Russians keeping a fleet in Long Island Sound.

Sure this freaks out the Russians like a Russian fleet in LI Sound would freak out the US. But the problem is that three Black Sea states are formal military allies of the United States, and one in particular - Turkey - is a military rival of Russia's. The US is bound by treaty to come to Turkey's defense if attacked. Unlike Russia, the US is the lucky beneficiary of favorable geography.

16 posted on 06/18/2016 10:21:59 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: null and void
Look for Russia to join NATO.

That's been floated at various times, but won't happen because NATO is primarily an anti-Russian alliance. In 1954, the Soviet Union actually applied to join NATO and was declined for membership.

17 posted on 06/18/2016 10:23:52 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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The US is bound by treaty to come to Turkey's defense if attacked.

You mean like Turkey came to our aid during the war in Iraq?

Tuck Furkey!

18 posted on 06/18/2016 10:24:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

Turkey isn’t worth the life of a single American Buck Private.


19 posted on 06/18/2016 10:26:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The Turks were a very effective ally in the Korean War.


20 posted on 06/18/2016 10:27:20 AM PDT by Ohioan
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