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If the plane was brought down by Islamic terrorists or a suicidal Captain we will never hear the actual recordings. All we will get is a bogus transcript blaming technical failure.


2 posted on 06/17/2016 4:09:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (`)
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To: Gen.Blather
If the plane was brought down by Islamic terrorists or a suicidal Captain we will never hear the actual recordings. All we will get is a bogus transcript blaming technical failure.

We will get a doctored tape that has some Arabs screaming, "What's that White guy with the Bible up to? Oh my Allah, he's going to kill us all!"

3 posted on 06/17/2016 4:25:47 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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If the plane was brought down by Islamic terrorists...

...an Islamic terrorist group would have claimed credit by now. My guess is a suicidal pilot.

4 posted on 06/17/2016 4:31:49 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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The ACARS transcript is already out (there were many sources capturing ACARS messages in real-time) and it looks like an underfloor fire. ACARS is a system used in modern aircraft where the airplane’s automated systems basically text or ‘tweet’ errors/problems to a world-wide network. Anyone with an ACARS subscription can see them.

Posted this earlier:
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Doesn’t work with the ACARS reporting timeline - fire was first detected inside the bulkhead under/around the right front windows. Check the timeline (I’ve annotated it):

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW - right forward cockpit window anti-ice sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer wasn’t expecting to see them.
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR - right side cockpit window sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer was not expecting to see them.
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE - Smoke detected in the lavatory. The front lav on an A320 is one the *left* side of the aircraft. It shares the back wall of the cockpit on the left side.
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE - Smoke detected in the avionics bay which IIRC is under the floor of the cockpit.
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR - right side cockpit window sensor has detected elevated temperatures when the computer was not expecting to see them.
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT - Autopilot module 2 has failed, probably due to fire given prior messages.
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT - Part of main flight controls has failed, probably due to fire given prior messages.

This reads like an underfloor fire.

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This evident fire started in areas not accessible to anyone while the plane is in flight. The cockpit smoke sensors didn’t see any smoke while the ACARS radios were still intact, so there was no fire or smoke in the cockpit where the pilots were but there seems to have been fire that spread from inside the right fuselage bulkhead, under the floor of the cockpit to the other side where the lavatory is and then it ate the underfloor avionics bay.

Mind, this doesn’t rule out an incendiary planted in the avionics bay while the aircraft on the ground, but pending the FDR and CVR recordings, this doesn’t look like ‘bomb in cockpit’ or ‘suicidal pilot’.


8 posted on 06/17/2016 4:45:26 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Gen.Blather
If the plane was brought down by Islamic terrorists or a suicidal Captain we will never hear the actual recordings.

You are forgetting that Egypt's President is an enemy of these people. We might hear every single detail, if he can use it to further weaken the Muslim Brotherhood.

14 posted on 06/17/2016 5:40:47 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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