Posted on 06/13/2016 8:53:08 AM PDT by Lockbox
As I hoped would happen, American Thinker’s series on TWA Flight 800 has prompted individuals with first hand knowledge to come forward. “Mark Johnson” is one. An air traffic controller (ATC), he worked the night of July 17, 1996 -- the night TWA Flight 800 was destroyed -- at the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) located in Westbury, New York.
Johnson has provided me with his real name, and I have confirmed that he was in a position to know what he says he knows. He requested that I use an alias because he has children who depend on him. The federal government, he believes, “will seek revenge, retribution and/or any other remedy they feel like. I would be fearful my pension would be at risk.” I have heard this sentiment voiced by many people involved in this incident.
Although Johnson was not responsible for tracking TWA Flight 800, he spoke directly with the ATC who did. In fact, he asked him “plenty of questions to prepare myself for the ‘suits’ who were beginning to arrive.” Along with several other ATCs, he viewed the radar tape of the incident. According to Johnson, “A primary radar return (ASR-9) indicated vertical movement intersecting TWA 800.”
An advanced radar system, the Northrop Grumman ASR-9 is able to detect a “target” in severe clutter even when the target has no transponder. The absence of a transponder is what distinguishes a “primary radar return” from a “secondary” one. In others words, the radar picked up a small, unidentified, ascending object intersecting TWA 800 in the second before the 747 “disappeared from radar.”
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
After 24 years, at least a few swabbies would be smart enough to realize they'd been lied to.
Um, let's see, how about an unverifiable claim?
But you go ahead dismissing hundreds of eyewitnesses. It's easy, just mock them for not agreeing with the NTSB... er, I mean, the FBI... er, I mean, the CIA.
Like you do.
WERE they lied to? They Navy scoured the water and dredged the bottom for pieces. How do you know what they picked up? How would anyone?
Why WOULD the Navy shoot down an airliner if it wasn't an absolute emergency? IF they shot it down, that is. And if it was an emergency, and if the reason for that emergency was a political catastrophe for national security, do you really think someone would talk, and thereby put the country at risk? How low do you want to go with your estimates of the characters of military men and women?
If that's your way of saying that you were completely, absolutely wrong about your claims of this being a fantasy technology, and that your pile of insults towards me therefore had no moral justification, and that you have been caught with your own foot in your mouth,
I agree.
Yeah, that's the way it might've gone down...but it probably didn't.
Other scenarios are far more likely than a USN shoot-down and cover-up.
The rumors were of military accident, but couldn’t Clinton have had it shot down?
There are loudmouth freepers who will not believe it. There is nothing that will change their belief in the government’s line.
Well if you can provide one witness who can testify it was a subsurface to air missile from a U.S. or allied submarine then imagine how silly I would look?
Like a spontanious center fuel tank explosion?
If the navy didn't shoot the missile, they know who did. They were all over that area that night.
The whole thing is bizarre. 747s don't just explode. The Navy isn't butterfingers about missiles. Hundreds of witnesses didn't hallucinate. The CIA doesn't investigate plane crashes.
If it was a movie script it wouldn't be accepted. The whole thing is ridiculous.
And I have no idea what really happened. But I believe the Navy does.
You’ve already made an ass of yourself, so silly won’t register.
Oh surely it wouldn't take all that.
But imagine how smart you will look when you do.
There's a lot of that going around.
" Apparently, a number of senior military and civilian government personnel had gathered to watch in real time, on a battlefield monitor, a Navy demonstration then taking place in the Atlantic south of Long Island.
On display, according to Graduate’s source, was a secret anti-aircraft missile developed for the Seawolf class of attack submarines. The Navy planned to use the missile to defend the subs when sailing ahead of the fleet without air cover, especially in shallow water when vulnerable to shore-based defenses.
A second Navy source described for Graduate the missile and swivel-tube concept, taken from a British design and upgraded for use in Seawolf class submarines.
The multi-tube launcher swivels to point the missile in the desired direction before launch. Once out of the tube, the missile is no longer under control of the submarine’s weapons software.
As I understand it, this lack of control, especially in a highly trafficked area like the south shore of Long Island, necessitated a second sub with missile capacity to be used as a backstop."
Now that's what I mean by 'debate'.
Although you may believe it 'improbable', there seems to be information around that says it was possible.
For instance... here:
Is U.S. Navy coming clean on TWA 800?
"On display, according to Graduate’s source, was a secret anti-aircraft missile developed for the Seawolf class of attack submarines. The Navy planned to use the missile to defend the subs when sailing ahead of the fleet without air cover, especially in shallow water when vulnerable to shore-based defenses. "
I want to be clear. I am not locked onto the Submarine missile theory. I just don't believe it was the Center Wing Tank that was the source of the problem. That leaves all the other options, and that is what I am exploring. I do appreciate your input.
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>> “ And New Yorkers who know about the lie will still vote for Hillary.” <<
And that may be all we need to know about the state of american politics.
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>> “Explain how radar can discriminate the energy of an explosion please.” <<
Rate of expansion of the gas and debris fields.
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Yes, as we all know, whistleblowers are treated with complete respect, and all their complaints are investigated fully and properly. (/s)
Also, today there is an article that says the AIR FORCE and Lockheed Martin lost all the data that contained things like WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS going back many years.
While I trust you and the guys on your boat, I don't trust or believe those who command over them and have the final say on 'complaints or whistleblowers'.
Looking around you at what is going on now, do you think these top 'people' were any less corrupt back then ?
"On display, according to Graduate’s source, was a secret anti-aircraft missile developed for the Seawolf class of attack submarines. The Navy planned to use the missile to defend the subs when sailing ahead of the fleet without air cover, especially in shallow water when vulnerable to shore-based defenses."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/is-u-s-navy-coming-clean-on-twa-800/#W3sVHu9k5wLTs9fD.99
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