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Right and Wrong Reactions to the Tragic Massacre in Orlando
Townhall.com ^ | June 13, 2016 | Michael Brown

Posted on 06/13/2016 5:25:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

I agree with everything but point four. The police are not outgunned by the scumballs.

I have a friend who is a weapons training officer for a relatively small department. He showed my one of the handful of full auto M-4’s they have. He said he doesn’t envision a time when they will ever use them, but they have them just in case.

Yesterday, my sons and two friends were comparing airsoft guns in our back yard and shooting at a trash can. The yard is too small for a battle.

Some pajama boy called the police who stopped by for a friendly chat. Since the Jammy boy mentioned that the boys had guns, one of them was carrying an AR-15.

It was a short friendly conversation that ended with some smiles. Just the way it ought to be. But, he was not outgunned by anyone.

Eliminating gun free zones and allowing national concealed carry would solve many problems. While I like Constitutional Carry, I don’t have a tremendous problem with background checks and permits, providing the cost is not astronomical.


21 posted on 06/13/2016 5:55:34 AM PDT by cyclotic (Guns don't kill people. Abortion clinics kill people)
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To: Helicondelta
Is there some middle ground that can be found between the two positions? If we forget about our political viewpoint for a moment and simply talk about common-sense safety, is there no solution we can find? I am no expert in this area, but I have to believe that there is a better way.

The "better way" is to cease demanding that good citizens refrain from defending themselves. There is no 'middle ground'. There is either the right to keep and BEAR arms, or there is disarmament.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Ask the dead in Orlando. Or Paris. Or San Bernardino. Or ...

22 posted on 06/13/2016 5:55:56 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: Kaslin

To Everything There is a Season

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


23 posted on 06/13/2016 5:58:50 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Lurker

Yes, the Clinton Tweet was from November 2015, the Phoenix one was yesterday.


24 posted on 06/13/2016 5:59:00 AM PDT by cyclotic (Guns don't kill people. Abortion clinics kill people)
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To: ealgeone
We do not have a gun problem in this country....we have a terror problem in this country.

On September 11, 2001, nearly 3,000 people were killed in this country by Islamic terrorists. None of them died from a gunshot wound. In 2013, the Tsaranev brothers killed 3 people and wounded 264 others at the Boston Marathon. They did it without using a gun. As you said, we do not have a gun problem in this country. We have a terror problem.

25 posted on 06/13/2016 6:05:06 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Lurker

Don’t think so. Isn’t it LGBT, not LBGT?


26 posted on 06/13/2016 6:06:08 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Kaslin

Who is Michael Brown, and why is he writing for Townhall?????


27 posted on 06/13/2016 6:07:37 AM PDT by rlmorel (Embrace your Curmudgeonliness.)
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To: Biggirl
Today, Trump was supposed to make a big speech about Hillary's corruption. Friday, many of the MSM were starting to have more articles about Hillary's EMAILS and the Clinton Foundation(s).

Then Sunday, this happens, taking Hillary out of the news.

HOW CONVENIENT. Just a coincidence, right ?

28 posted on 06/13/2016 6:09:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: fella

Does anyone know what the time is?


29 posted on 06/13/2016 6:10:43 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Helicondelta


30 posted on 06/13/2016 6:13:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin
"4. We have an obvious gun problem in America"


31 posted on 06/13/2016 6:15:29 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Helicondelta

Let’s be clear, Hillary: you can talk about peace, you can talk about healing, you can talk about ‘gun problems’ all you want.

None of that pandering and hand-wringing to pretend to the world that you care (I know you don’t) will help anything.

Your administration has been in charge for a whole spate of these attacks over the past 8 years. You didn’t even lift a finger to stop one happening on your watch to your own people.

Attacks against Americans are still happening with regularity because you haven’t actually done anything - anything - other than talk.

You don’t care to solve anything - you only mean to exploit this for your own purposes.

Get off the stage. Your audition is over.


32 posted on 06/13/2016 6:17:17 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: fella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgk3u44W2i4


33 posted on 06/13/2016 6:18:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: rlmorel
I hope you realize that there are probably hundreds of Michael Browns.

Here is the biography of Dr Michael Brown, the author of the op-ed

Michael L. Brown is the founder and president of FIRE School of Ministry in Concord, North Carolina, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and host of the daily, nationally, syndicated talk radio show, the Line of Fire, as well as the host of the apologetics TV show, “Answering Your Toughest Questions,” which airs on the NRB TV network. He became a believer in Jesus 1971 as a sixteen year-old, heroin-shooting, LSD-using Jewish rock drummer. Since then, he has preached throughout America and around the world, bringing a message of repentance, revival, reformation, and cultural revolution.

He holds a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures from New York University and has served as a visiting or adjunct professor at Southern Evangelical Seminary, Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary (Charlotte), Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, Fuller Theological Seminary, Denver Theological Seminary, the King’s Seminary, and Regent University School of Divinity, and he has contributed numerous articles to scholarly publications, including the Oxford Dictionary of Jewish Religion and the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament.

Dr. Brown is the author of 27 books, including, Our Hands Are Stained with Blood: The Tragic Story of the “Church” and the Jewish People, which has been translated into more than twelve languages, the highly-acclaimed five-volume series, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, a commentary on Jeremiah (part of the revised edition of the Expositor’s Bible Commentary), and several books on revival and Jesus revolution. His newest books are Can You Be Gay and Christian: Responding With LOVE & TRUTH to Questions About HOMOSEXUALITY (2014), The Fire that Never Sleeps: Keys for Sustaining Personal Revival (2015), and Outlasting the Gay Revolution: Where Homosexual Activism is Really Going and How to Turn the Tide (2015).

Dr. Brown is a national and international speaker on themes of spiritual renewal and cultural reformation, and he has debated Jewish rabbis, agnostic professors, and gay activists on radio, TV, and college campuses. He is widely considered to be the world’s foremost Messianic Jewish apologist.

He and his wife Nancy, who is also a Jewish believer in Jesus, have been married since 1976. They have two daughters and four grandchildren.

Source

34 posted on 06/13/2016 6:21:20 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

Deport illegals!
Expel muslims!


35 posted on 06/13/2016 6:30:03 AM PDT by Original Lurker (Public Schools - The Walmart Education)
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To: Kaslin
At the same time, there are plenty of peace-loving Muslims in America who are not only appalled at this violence but who now fear for their own lives.

Gee, I wonder how we would know that. They never say so. They never condemn the terrorist acts. They never take any action to reform their Imams. They cheer in the streets after a slaughter like this.

In fear for their lives? Fear from whom? Other Muslims most likely. They should be willing to die to prove their religion is peaceful. But they do not.

36 posted on 06/13/2016 6:43:42 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting , knitting, always knitting)
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To: Kaslin

And don’t forget guys, it’s okay to say “mandate”. Nowadays, some people might hear it as “man date,” but then we know where their minds are at.


37 posted on 06/13/2016 7:02:03 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

It’s clear to me that islam and civilization are incompatible.


38 posted on 06/13/2016 7:06:38 AM PDT by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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To: Kaslin
I realize the that there are a large number of Michael Browns, I know that Townhall occasionally has liberal respondents that share their views there. But in reading this, it sounds like liberal pablum, especially the "We have an obvious gun problem in America" statement.

Guns are not the problem, and this person invalidates their entire "carefully written" statement by such tripe. I am not going to take the rest of it seriously on the basis of that.

I am sure he is an nice guy and all, and that he has found God and Jesus, but the entirety of his article sounds more like the mindset that is going to get more of us killed. I have found that our main shortcoming as conservatives in our discourse with liberals is that we grant them their premises without questioning them, and we spend all of our time and energy arguing the finer points of their invalid premises instead of dismissing it out of hand, and this is a prime example. I reject that premise and reject the entire argument as a result.

I have said it before, people who are here and are now American citizens have to be treated as such until there is specific, individual reason not to. That is our bed and we have made it. So I will buy (from a Constitutional standpoint alone) that we can't judge all muslims on the actions of a few. That won't stop me from judging them on their actions, because that is MY Constitutional right, but I am not going to call for rounding them up.

And allowing any more of them into this country in large, unexamined blocks, as Liberals wish to do, is madness.

39 posted on 06/13/2016 7:07:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (Embrace your Curmudgeonliness.)
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To: Kaslin

Why cant Americans shoot back??!!??

Every president in my lifetime has made it a big deal to arm the rebels and send weapons to the oppressed in every third world shithole on the planet. When assholes are shooting at us, our leaders want to restrict our access to guns and ban them out right. As well as bring more of THEM into our country un vetted and without proper controls.

WASHINGTON, DC
WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON ??


40 posted on 06/13/2016 7:10:58 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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