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Muhammad Ali, 'The Greatest of All Time', Dead at 74
NBC News ^ | 4 June 16 | NBC News staff

Posted on 06/04/2016 1:21:27 AM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: Chainmail
"Typical Lefty answer. You don’t have serve and risk your life with everyone else because “you don’t approve of the war”." And you've just demonstrated you have only straw-men arguments to justify the position you advocate. Even the Code of Military Justice allows serving soldiers to disobey unlawful orders. If a war is unjust, called by corrupt officials (LBJ) and uses made up information (which the NSA has admitted) to manipulate Congress to approve it, we have no business being there and risking the lives of our kids. How you see the facts is up to you. I've made my choice. Support my country all the time. Support our leaders only when they are right.
181 posted on 06/04/2016 2:28:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: Chainmail

hear, hear. God Bless You and thank you.


182 posted on 06/04/2016 2:32:01 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarme)
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To: Duchess47
You are well, well above average - so is your family.

IQ isn't everything - but it is true in most cases. The kids I went to high school waaaay back that tested over 1500 on their SATs are all millionaires. Interesting how that works.

183 posted on 06/04/2016 2:47:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Nice way of rationalizing cowardice. We had good people to protect, vicious enemies to fight, and the best young people to serve with.

We probably didn’t need someone who would think up excuses for everything.

Head back to DU where you belong.


184 posted on 06/04/2016 3:05:14 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SkyPilot

Thanks for the kind words.

I’m not sure that IQ does much good without direction and passion for something.


185 posted on 06/04/2016 3:13:34 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Chainmail

Ha! Thanks n00b.

I figured that was all you have.


186 posted on 06/04/2016 3:28:47 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Have a great deal more in me and the men who served with than you will ever have.

The bottom line is that the men of this country worth calling men went into that fight knowing that they were there to take their risks for the men on either side of them.

People like you made excuses and still make excuses - but the truth is that you just didn’t have the guts to fight. You will never know what you’re made of - well, maybe you do, since you know the real reasons you chickened out.

“Noob”? Sure, if you assume that this is the name I’ve always had.


187 posted on 06/04/2016 4:26:49 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

“Have a great deal more in me and the men who served with than you will ever have.”

You have failed four times to make a cogent argument, based of facts, logic or evidence... Just big talk, personal attacks,clogical fallacies and unfounded assertions.

And you are a n00b around here.


188 posted on 06/04/2016 5:26:38 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: SkyPilot

That’s quite a discharge statement...


189 posted on 06/04/2016 5:48:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

And you’re a coward. Live with it.


190 posted on 06/04/2016 6:04:36 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
"And you’re a coward. Live with it." I see you didn't come up with a single argument based on a single fact yet again. Five tries. Five misses. At this point, ping me if you find anything that supports any of your claims.
191 posted on 06/04/2016 6:09:16 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“My claims”? You want me to justify our war to you? Go jump in a lake!

You tried to justify not supporting us in our war, conveniently hiding behind the standard Leftist tropes. It’s way too late for you; you missed your chance. We lived or died without your help.

You would have been one of those weenies who “opted out” of the Revolution had you lived back then, or bought your way out of the Civil War, or 4F’d your way out of the Second World War. It’s the nature of people like you. Cowardice and excuses are all you’ve got.


192 posted on 06/04/2016 6:38:24 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
“My claims”? You want me to justify our war to you? Go jump in a lake!

No. I understand you cannot justify it. You had the 6 opportunities to engage the facts or provide any others and were unable to do it.

"You tried to justify not supporting us in our war, conveniently hiding behind the standard Leftist tropes. It’s way too late for you; you missed your chance. We lived or died without your help."

As a 16 year old when the draft ended, my help would not have done you much good. So yes, I guess I did "miss my chance."

Of course, at the time, none of us knew the false flag operation that was used to justify intervention. It was a colossal mistake.


193 posted on 06/04/2016 6:50:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: Duchess47

Amen. I rely on the wisdom of the Holy Spirit myself. Without God, I am nothing.


194 posted on 06/04/2016 6:53:44 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

I agree with you completely there.


195 posted on 06/04/2016 7:10:40 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

No, it wasn’t “a colossal mistake”: we had a major intervention by the Soviets and the Chinese and the whole Warsaw Pact in that corner of the world called a “National Liberation War”. Vietnam is in the perfect position for the control of the Straits of Malacca, the artery that supports our other allies within the region.

We held them off, despite being 10,000 miles from home, despite Billions of dollars of support for the enemy from the Eastern Bloc, despite 2 million enemy effectives, and despite rank cowardice and open support for the enemy at home. Did it for eight long years.

At the end, thanks to the slimy Democrats in Congress (and a successful coup to remove Nixon), our country quit. But by that time, we had hung on longer than the Soviets expected and they discovered that Nation Liberation Wars were too expensive and they gave up on that tactic. They tried proxy wars (Cubans in Angola, Cubans and others in Central America) and even direct intervention in Afghanistan but no more “assisted civil wars”.

We did very well despite all the other crap we had to deal with (plus a horrible climate and difficult rules of engagement and hostile press) and it was the impression we made in our war of toughness and resolute courage that made the end of the Cold War possible.

If you were only 16 at the end of our war,many have you been wasting my time?


196 posted on 06/04/2016 7:21:12 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Very nicely said. I always have a hard time.
197 posted on 06/04/2016 7:23:44 PM PDT by SunLakesJeff (Thank you, St. Thomas More.)
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To: Chainmail

Wow. You included some facts. Excellent.

Still a bad war. Many served honorably.


198 posted on 06/04/2016 7:23:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: wita; superfries; chris37; StoneWall Brigade; mykroar; ConservativeTeen; fieldmarshaldj; ...

Cassius Clay is such a cool name too, his namesake was a famed anti-slavery Senator, and the man then changed his name to Mohammad, after a man not only owned slaves but conquered and enslaved a lot of people. SMH.

RIP


199 posted on 06/04/2016 7:27:31 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It was not a “bad” war. Quit pushing the Leftist tropes. For those eight years, we kept most of those people free and safe. Which direction do you think the refugees went? Towards us, always. Never towards the VC or the NVA.

And nearly all of our troops with rare exceptions fought effectively and courageously. Quit watching the war movies - they’re just cartoons. The guys who fought in Vietnam were every bit as honorable as those who fought in all of our earlier wars, maybe even more so.

I will always be proud of the guys who fought in our war.


200 posted on 06/04/2016 7:33:08 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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