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Trump: Cincinnati Zoo didn’t “have a choice” to kill gorilla Harambe
WHIO ^ | 5/31/16

Posted on 05/31/2016 10:30:40 AM PDT by Faith Presses On

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To: polymuser
Petition to hold the kid’s parents responsible:

Petition? How stupid is that? The zoo will be sued, with or without a petition. They will pay big. But if ya want to charge the parents criminally, good luck with that. Bottom line, a little kid should not be able to access or enter wild animal cages/enclosures. There is no debate here.

End of story.

61 posted on 05/31/2016 12:10:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MD Expat in PA

No, I mean THESE observations-

“Donald Trump said the Cincinnati Zoo didn’t “have a choice” when it killed Harambe, the gorilla that held a young boy who jumped into the exhibit on Saturday.

“I think it’s a very tough call,” Trump said during a press conference. “It was amazing because there were moments with the gorilla, the way he held the child, it was almost like a mother holding a baby. It looked so beautiful and calm.”

He’s right in BOTH of his observations, notice the plural form of the word “observation”, which suggests that there was, in fact, more than one observation.


62 posted on 05/31/2016 12:14:45 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
If they had shot the kid the animal rights folks would be happy.

But then the BLM folks would be rioting because they allowed a black child to die.

63 posted on 05/31/2016 12:15:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wolfie

“Can’t wait for the parents to sue the zoo. That’ll be entertaining.”

It won’t be entertaining - it will be theft by an irresponsible parent that caused the death of the gorilla. The irresponsible mother let the kid out of her sight after he kept nagging about wanting to go in the water. She was warned repeatedly that he wanted something and wasn’t listening to her. That’s the time to REALLY watch the kid, hang onto him in fact.

She’ll probably get millions.

Some illegals in Bakersfield let their anchor child run free too - he ended up drowning in a pond. Lots of signs around not to go in the water, for parents to watch their children at all times - didn’t matter. Taxpayers got to give these irresponsible illegals millions.


64 posted on 05/31/2016 12:23:34 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: mware

Good Lord in heaven. That’s awful


65 posted on 05/31/2016 12:24:16 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel)
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To: SgtHooper
Stop pulling content out of context. Why did you do that? Anti-Trump?

What did I pull out of context? I agreed with and acknowledge that Trump was correct when he said “They had no choice”. But the other part of his comment was, IMO stupid and ill informed.

Has it really come down to the point when everything single thing that Trump says is absolutely correct, 100% of the time and is never to be questioned or commented on?

Does pointing out the stupid part of the comment he made about the gorilla that it “was almost like a mother holding a baby. It looked so beautiful and calm” make me Anti-Trump? If so, so be it.

Pointing out that the kid was in great danger and the gorilla needed to be shot in order to save the child’s life doesn’t make me “anti-gorilla” either except to the animal rights PETA types.

It seems we have some of those here and also some who can’t tolerate any honest criticism of He who is above all criticism.

66 posted on 05/31/2016 12:24:58 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

He also said people believe we are descended from apes

He has no science

Otherwise, he was right on


67 posted on 05/31/2016 12:26:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: Kit cat

Instead, she’ll sue the zoo and get millions.

Just watch.


68 posted on 05/31/2016 12:26:42 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: MD Expat in PA; chris37; tumblindice

Actually, Trump was just talking about the parts of the videos when the gorilla was just sitting there with the child. If that was all the animal did, the zookeepers might have been able to separate the child from him without the shooting being necessary.

And Trump also did say that at other times, the situation wasn’t like that, but scary.

It’s clear in the video of Trump’s comments that he had seen what happened, and had a proper grasp of the situation.

I HOPE they put his comments on the news, since they will appeal to all the people out there who think it’s a no-brainer that the child’s life came before the animals.

The media probably was trying to fish for him to say something outrageous about this, but he came off as completely sounding like he’d made a wise judgment on a hard andcontroversial situation, whereas many Democratic animal lovers are mourning over the animal’s “murder,” and wishing the boy and his family were dead instead.

These situations are actually important, too, for leaders to speak out on. There is actually a lot more involved than the gorilla’s death, but for instance, the actual matter of valuing human life, and not devaluing by equating animals with humans, or actually in some circumstances granting them more importance.


69 posted on 05/31/2016 12:36:02 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: chris37
Don’t bother me with your stupid questions.

Then don't make stupid remarks that call your sanity into question.

70 posted on 05/31/2016 12:48:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: Faith Presses On

Stay out of weeds Mr. Trump. “I don’t have enough information on the incident to comment, next question please”.


71 posted on 05/31/2016 12:51:40 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago
Stay out of weeds Mr. Trump. “I don’t have enough information on the incident to comment, next question please”.

That's not Trump.

72 posted on 05/31/2016 12:52:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chris37
I agree with Trump and with the zoo officials and others, many animal experts including Jack Hanna and even Jane Goodall who also said that “they didn’t have a choice”.

But Trump was not correct in saying “It was amazing because there were moments with the gorilla, the way he held the child, it was almost like a mother holding a baby. It looked so beautiful and calm.”

For one thing the gorilla was never holding the child or anything like a mother holding a baby, nor did it ever look “beautiful and calm”.

I am sorry if this is not popular to say here anymore, but it was a downright stupid thing for Trump to say.

The gorilla was agitated and disoriented. He was violently whipping the child around like a rag doll. He was a nearly adult male gorilla and male gorillas are highly territorial and the males often kill the offspring of other males that they see as a threat to their dominance. He might have seen the child as the offspring of a rival gorilla or an orphaned gorilla. Keep in mind that Harambe had a harem of females with whom the zoo was breading him with. That is how nature works and anthropomorphizing the few moments when the gorilla seemed calm and wasn’t dragging the child around doesn’t change the facts at hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79m6sGWISk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtD3FsMeJ54

73 posted on 05/31/2016 12:52:34 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

“I think it’s a very tough call,” Trump said. “It was amazing because there were moments with that gorilla the way he held that child where it looks like a mother holding a baby, looked so beautiful and calm.”

“And there were moments where it looked pretty dangerous,” he continued. “I don’t think they had a choice. I mean, probably, they didn’t have a choice. You had a young child where their life was at stake. I mean, you know it’s too bad there wasn’t another way.”

He added that he thought it was “so beautiful” to watch “that powerful” gorilla interact with the child at first.

“But it just takes one second, just one second. It’s not like it’s, ‘Oh, it’s going to take place over 30 seconds from now,’” Trump continued. “It just takes one little flick of his finger and I will tell you they probably had no choice.”

THIS is the full context from which you cherry picked. This same gorilla behavior was witnessed in a previous child-in-enclosure episode years ago. The same what appeared to be tender moments occurred this time, however brief. So when put in context, there was nothing wrong with what Trump said. He made an observation and gave his opinion, to actually cover both sides of the argument. Smart indeed!


74 posted on 05/31/2016 1:09:46 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: SgtHooper
Except that this gorilla was never holding the child as would a mother holding a baby. According to all the animal experts, it was not beautiful and calm scene.

As to the rest of what Trump said, I don't disagree but the the part above, that is something I don't and he should not have said it. It makes it sound like the gorilla was not trying to hurt the child but just might do so only by "accident".

My opinion still stands that it was first of all a stupid question for the press to ask him and it was stupid for him to give any response other than "No comment. Not relevant. Next question".

75 posted on 05/31/2016 1:25:42 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA; SgtHooper

I don’t agree, and I’m often not in agreement with some of his remarks, even though I do support him and agree with many of his remarks.

I believe he handled this very well and that swing voters especially will see that.

On the one hand, he acknowledged that at times it looked the gorilla was just protecting the boy, and his whole remarks made clear that he thought it regrettable that the gorilla had to die.

Then on the other hand, he acknowledges that it truly wasn’t such a serene situation, but a dangerous one leaving the zoo no choice. I’m sure the people at the zoo appreciate his measured words.

He gave a very good description of the incident, making proper sense of it, and comes off as a refreshing voice of sanity, even of wisdom to do what’s hard but necessity, in the midst of all the insanity the media is unleashing from the “Harambe was murdered to save a stupid human child” club.


76 posted on 05/31/2016 2:00:01 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: itsahoot

I didn’t.

I mean look, I like and value that gorilla a Hell of a lot more than I like and value you.

Now go and marinate on that a while.


77 posted on 05/31/2016 2:30:58 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Yes there were moments when it appeared that the gorilla was trying to protect the child.

Yes the gorilla was beautiful.

Yes there were moments when the gorilla appeared calm.

There were also moments where the gorilla put the child’s life in danger.

The truth of the matter is this. If at anytime the gorilla wanted the child dead, the child would be dead.

Trump is also correct in saying that there was no choice but to kill the gorilla.

Nothing Trump said was stupid. He observed the situation exactly as it was and remarked about it honestly.


78 posted on 05/31/2016 2:39:06 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: dfwgator

Well, how about if they shot the animal rights folks? No BLM rioting, no animal rights people griping....


79 posted on 05/31/2016 2:43:08 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: chris37
I mean look, I like and value that gorilla a Hell of a lot more than I like and value you.

And the truth is you never met either one of us. Maybe the Gorilla would have liked you but I doubt it.

Good Values there Chris.

80 posted on 05/31/2016 4:31:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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