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ISIS or the Kurds? Some Arabs wonder which is worse
CNN ^ | 25 May 2016 | Ben Wedeman

Posted on 05/29/2016 10:16:08 PM PDT by Cronos

...One might expect that the long-suffering inhabitants of Raqqa, who have been under ISIS' heavy black yoke since 2013, would welcome the approach of their liberators. But according to a tweet put out in English by the activist group Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently, "the strategy of taking Raqqa by SDF... push a lot of people to join ISIS to Defense for their city.

In other words, rather than preparing to welcome their would-be liberators, some Raqqa inhabitants are choosing to throw their lot behind ISIS.

Backed by the United States, the Syrian Democratic Forces are a coalition of Kurdish, Assyrian, Christian, Arab tribal and other forces. But they are dominated by the Kurdish YPG, the Popular Defense Units.

In other words, it's a Kurdish armed force with a multi-ethnic façade, and the Arabs of Raqqa could well be worried about their intentions in a post-ISIS Syria.

...North-central and eastern Syria have been in ethnic flux for the past century. As the Ottoman Empire imploded at the end of World War I, Kurds fled what became Turkey and settled in northeast Syria, between the border with Iraq and the area north of Raqqa.

They had to compete for land and resources with the already diverse local population composed of Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Yazidis and others. France, the governing power, pursued a policy of divide and rule, playing the various groups off against one another.

...The Americans are relatively confident that Kurdish fighters -- unlike other Syrian rebel groups -- won't switch sides, sell their U.S.-supplied weapons to ISIS, or disappear when the going gets rough.

... the local -- concerns of the people of Raqqa .. that a .. predominantly Kurdish force will expel or subjugate them and take their land, and as they say in Arabic, "land is honor."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; islam; islamicstate; syria
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In other words, rather than preparing to welcome their would-be liberators, some Raqqa inhabitants are choosing to throw their lot behind ISIS.

...Overall an interesting read about a complex situation

1 posted on 05/29/2016 10:16:08 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Aka a cluster fuch. Arab nationalism vs Kurdish nationalism vs Persian nationalism vs Turkish nationalism. And I’m only talking within Iraq.


2 posted on 05/29/2016 10:19:39 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Cronos
This is Madness.

This is the Middle East

3 posted on 05/29/2016 10:32:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Cronos
ISIS or the Kurds? Some Arabs wonder which is worse...
Not complicated at all. Kill all of those bastards. I've about had with ALL of those inbred Neanderthals.
4 posted on 05/29/2016 10:33:34 PM PDT by lewislynn ( Cruz-Fiorina...The tortoise and the harelip)
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To: sagar

We are at a disadvantage from the git-go, since Americans just don’t generally understand conflicts that have been ongoing for many hundreds of years.


5 posted on 05/29/2016 10:37:52 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

The borders are shifting as fast as the sand dunes.


6 posted on 05/29/2016 10:53:23 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: sagar

Post #6 was meant in reply to post #2.


7 posted on 05/29/2016 10:55:11 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Cronos

What the author doesn’t mention, is the extreme racism of the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party that has ruled Syria since 1963.

Like the Nazi Party, the Ba’ath Party advocated socialism based on race rather than class. Their unending references to the mighty Arab race, are usually translated into English as “Arab Nationalism” by socialist fellow travelers in the media, but it is really Nazi-like racial supremacism. And Kurds are very explicitly NOT Arabs, in the Ba’ath Party view.

They did not just talk about about race - they terrorized Kurds with brutal oppression and systematic official discrimination. Generations of Arab kids in Syria were raised on that ideology of racial incitement in the schools of that one-party dictatorship.

The Ba’ath Party in Iraq, based on all the same principles as the one in Syria, went even further - launching a genocidal campaign (al Anfal) against the Iraqi Kurds - consciously modeled on the Nazi extermination campaign against the Jews in Eastern Europe (Einsatzgruppen).

ISIS supporters can use the race argument against Kurds to some effect, because Syrian Arabs have been racially agitated against them longer and harder than even out own “black lives matter” radicals.


8 posted on 05/29/2016 10:56:09 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: lewislynn

Neanderthals?! I rather thought the Neanderthals were reasonably honorable men of their times. It is somewhat a disservice to link the Neanderthals with the middle-eastern Moslems. The Neanderthals deserve a better reputation. That being said, genocide is the province of Stalin, Hitler, and Satan. My solution: just stay away in any major way and let them kill each other. It is not a perfect world. If I was 4 years old and in Church Sunday School I might have more polite attitude.


9 posted on 05/29/2016 11:02:24 PM PDT by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: Cronos

Nuke it from orbit...


10 posted on 05/29/2016 11:05:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: sagar

Kurds are Iranis — and there are no Persians in IRaq.


11 posted on 05/30/2016 12:08:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Trumpet 1

” ...genocide is the province of Stalin, Hitler, and Satan.” Ruled over by the largest mass murderer in history: Mao tse-tung who murdered more than 150 million.


12 posted on 05/30/2016 2:38:02 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sagar

The Kurds don’t behead anyone .That’s who I would support!


13 posted on 05/30/2016 4:11:48 AM PDT by cavador (What is the theory of objectivity?)
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To: sagar
Arab nationalism vs Kurdish nationalism vs Persian nationalism vs Turkish nationalism.

I think you've hinted at it but it's probably even more about tribalism than nationalism. So increase the number of factions by a power of ten.

14 posted on 05/30/2016 4:21:07 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: sagar

Iraq should not exist. It and Saudi Arabia are made up nations from their origin, the never ending “gift” of western intervention into the Mideast.


15 posted on 05/30/2016 4:42:52 AM PDT by grania
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To: Cronos

In other words, the reason that they haven’t expelled ISIS from their city, is because the people of the city support ISIS.

Bomb the whole damn thing.


16 posted on 05/30/2016 4:45:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Cronos

“Moderate Muslims” supporting ISIS.


17 posted on 05/30/2016 4:46:47 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him.)
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To: grania

Saudi Arabia was not put together by the Western powers and was never under their rule.

King Saud conquered most of the Arabian peninsula tribes and actually exiled from Jeddah the Hashemite’s to Damascus from which they were ejected to Jordan


18 posted on 05/30/2016 4:48:51 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: PapaBear3625
please read the article. It's not that simple -- the Islamic state are pro-Wahabbi Sunni Arab --> if you are not Sunni Arab, they kill you. If you are Sunni Arab but not Wahabbi, they give you a bit of a chance before they kill you.

Now, if the Shia Arabs come, they will crush the Sunni ARabs and may be kill them. If the Kurds come, then the Arabs fear a renewed Persian Empire.

If you are a secular Sunni Arab, you will have to lie low in Raqq (which some seem to have done) and may hate the Islamic state, but you will still fear the Shia Arabs and the Kurds

An analogy would be like a German Lutheran pastor with his wife and daughters in a town to the east of Berlin. assume he opposed the Nazis, was briefly jailed etc.

In 1945 he would be terrified of the Soviets coming and what they would do to his family. If he didn't have the option of fleeing to the West, he would have reluctantly fought with the Nazis.

19 posted on 05/30/2016 4:51:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: grania; sagar; bert
Saudi Arabia is an indirect gift from the English, yes -- the Saud clan conquered other tribes in the Arabian peninsula, but this was with the blessing of the BRitish who sold out the Hashemites (traditional rulers of the Hejaz region - the westernmost strip alongside the Red sea which contains Makkah and Madina)

Syria and Iraq were cobbled together by the English and French, yes.

however, this "intervention" was post-WWI when the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

IF the BRits and French hadn't stuck their noses in then, there would have been a bloody ethnic war in 1920 -- that was just delayed by 90 years...

20 posted on 05/30/2016 4:54:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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