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To: ek_hornbeck
Friedman's focus, of course, was on economics. While every thing does have an economic aspect; the value of the lost space--as the population has soared far above what seemed desirable as recently as the immediate post World War II era--cannot be easily quantified. The Founders, at a time when we really encouraged immigration, generally made a point of the less hectic, less crowded conditions, here. Many of us share that concept. Thus we grieve as the gridlock around our urban centers has grown very substantially, decade by decade.

One can reflect--as one must as a responsible citizen in a free society--strolling in a pasture, or even in a not crowded urban park; but as the population soars, that reflection is more & more challenged. One does not reflect very deeply in a bumper to bumper gridlock.

The duty of the United States Government must always be to its rooted citizenry; not to any foreign interest that might conflict with that first duty. Scratch an advocate of heavy immigration, and you will invariably find an internationalist, quite willing to deny the interests of his fellow citizens, while pursuing some humanist fantasy of a new world order.

35 posted on 05/28/2016 9:55:28 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
The point is, even from a strictly economic point of view, open borders and amnesty are a bad move.

I agree with you completely, however, that the biggest threat posed by Third World immigration isn't economic but cultural. We're importing a culture of poverty, ignorance, and crime by the millions when we allow Mexico and Central America to dump their social dregs on our side of the border. American middle class neighborhoods are being replaced by barrio culture thanks to our insane immigration policy, and what's happening in Europe thanks to immigration from Africa and the Arab world is even worse.

41 posted on 05/28/2016 9:59:37 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Ohioan
the value of the lost space

This is an important issue. There's an inverse relationship between population density and liberty in America. Rural, ethno-culturally homogeneous, low density regions of the country tend to be economically libertarian and socially conservative (in a live and let live kind of way). Dense "multicultural" urban areas are characterized by high taxes, high regulation, and social liberalism. Some of this is just social rot, some of it (such as anti-pollution restrictions or building codes/zoning laws) occur out of necessity.

Either way, you can't have Montana or Idaho-style communities when your cities look like Tijuana or Lagos.

43 posted on 05/28/2016 10:09:06 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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