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Engineering and physics professors weigh in on Brady appeal
Yahoo News ^ | May 24, 2016

Posted on 05/24/2016 12:53:03 PM PDT by detective

Nearly two dozen engineering and physics professors weighed in Tuesday with a federal appeals court being asked to review New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady's four-game suspension for ''Deflategate.''

Papers filed with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said these experts believe the 2nd Circuit's ruling upholding the suspension lacks any scientific proof and the appeals judges should reconsider an April decision that reinstated Brady's suspension.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: appeal; brady; cheatriots; deflatriots; nfl; notanewstopic
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To: detective

You know, being a Bills fan is like having a weird aunt who is a cat-lady. Yeah, she’s eccentric. Yeah her house stinks. But she is your aunt, and you love her anyway.


21 posted on 05/24/2016 1:24:13 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: shotgun
“The appeals court ruling reinforced the CBA that gave Roger Gooddell the right to make the decisions he made. Their decision was not based upon science, physics, or even Ton Brady’s actions.”

The original judge and one of the three appeals judges felt that Goodell’s behavior was so dishonest that it met the extremely high standard required to vacate the arbitration ruling.

That means 2 of the 4 judges felt that way. It is true that judges are very reluctant to overturn arbitration rulings and will only do so when the evidence of dishonesty is so overwhelming that it meets the extremely high standard.

Goodell and the NFL have been that dishonest. The decision deserves to be overturned.

22 posted on 05/24/2016 1:24:46 PM PDT by detective
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To: Mr. K

“I am against cheating, but how on earth did they let PLAYERS be handling game balls?”

Because it helps offense, and to the casual fan offense = excitement and more people watch. This gives more revenue to the NFL in TV contract money. It behooves the NFL to let quarterbacks adjust to their preferences and presumably score more. Just like they allow separate harder balls to be used for kicks.

Freegards


23 posted on 05/24/2016 1:25:35 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Popman
So it’s “settled Science”...?

In this case yes. Laws in physics, are theories that can be proven.

Because the ball as a vessel containing a gas, it is subject to Gay-Lussac's law. The law says that pressure of a gas in an enclosed vessel is directly proportional to it's temperature.

Notice that climate change cites no laws of physics or science in the arguments that it is "settled science". Proponents use computer modeling with arbitrarily assigned values for climate variables instead.

24 posted on 05/24/2016 1:28:20 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: detective
Here's my take on the whole stupid thing. He played better with the firmer balls.

It makes zero sense that the softer balls gave him an edge. It simply didn't exist.

He may like it better personally...but an edge?? Prove it.

25 posted on 05/24/2016 1:34:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: detective

How difficult would it be for the refs to randomly check ball pressure several times a game?


26 posted on 05/24/2016 1:37:01 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: detective

I disagree. The first judge (District Court) was over ruled by a 3 judge panel (appeals Court). You can try to spin it as some tie goes to the runner argument but this isn’t baseball and this was no 2-2 tie.


27 posted on 05/24/2016 1:37:32 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: fhayek
You have a point.

If the rules (this is in the rule book!) state equipment tampering is a $25,000 fine, why did Brady get a 4 game suspension (worth 2+ mil to him) and the team get docked for $1,000,000, for this ONE infraction?

By the same token, in a contemporaneous fining action, why did the NY Jets get docked $100,000 for tampering with Darrell Revis when past tampering punishments have included steeper fines and loss of draft picks?

I tend not to believe the “Deflategate” charges against the man, but that's my own personal opinion.

But if we're going to go by the book here, I really think it behooves the league office to set the example first and foremost.

CA....

28 posted on 05/24/2016 1:39:13 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: billyboy15

Another high profile name pushing for that rule change is Peyton Manning.

In fact, it was Manning who enlisted Brady’s help in seeking this rule change.

CA....


29 posted on 05/24/2016 1:41:26 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: detective

Brady was railroaded by Goodell. The NFL’s system for ensuring the balls were properly inflated and for testing them was terrible.

Brady proved that he can play great with properly inflated footballs. However, I believe his problem is he can’t play well with balls that are over inflated.


30 posted on 05/24/2016 1:42:33 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: detective

Of course the appeal’s court ruling didn’t take sides on the science one way or the other. Their ruling was that if Goodell wants to suspend you the CBA says he can, he doesn’t need facts, he doesn’t need science, all he needs is the desire.


31 posted on 05/24/2016 1:44:27 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: detective
Anyone who knows anything about science or about football knows Brady is completely innocent and the NFL have been dishonest.

Nonsense. Science has nothing to do with it, in any event.

The evidence from the investigation shows that there was something fishy going on. Read the transcripts of the text messages, for one thing.

This is a judgement call based on the Commissioner's office.

Roger Goodell, through the team owners, has an inherent right to impose discipline on any employee of the corporation.

If Goodell determines that Brady committed conduct detrimental to the game, then that's that.

Brady was able to defer his punishment for a year, but now he's going to have to serve it.

The real travesty was the original judge's overturning of the NFL's decision. That took left-wing attitudes about labor rights to a new level.

Except where otherwise governed by a labor contract, any employer may sanction an employee for any reason they see fit.

And don't forget, this situation arose out of initial complaints which were coming from other players.

The NFL as a corporation has every right to discipline its employees.

All will be right with the NFL and the world once Tom Brady actually serves his 4-game suspension.

Only an extremely pro-union ideologue could support the overtly anti-business reasoning of the judge who initially overturned Brady's suspension. That's why it was reversed: because the management runs a company, not labor.

32 posted on 05/24/2016 1:44:59 PM PDT by sargon (You're either with Trump, or you're with Hillary.)
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To: fhayek

Of course the rule says the penalty for what Brady supposedly did is a $75K fine. If we’re going to strictly adhere to the rule book well...


33 posted on 05/24/2016 1:45:22 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: shotgun
“this was no 2-2 tie”

I know. My point was that of the 4 judges that heard the case 2 felt that Goodell and the NFL were so dishonest as to meet the extremely high bar for overturning an arbitration decision. The other two ignored Goodell’s actions and just said that it did not matter if he was dishonest, they would not overturn the decision. None of the judges ruled that Brady was guilty of the charges.

On appeal, Brady should win. Goodell and the NFL were way too dishonest, even given the extremely high bar set for overturning arbitration decisions.

34 posted on 05/24/2016 1:48:36 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

If the cold weather had such a disasterous influence on the ball pressure, what about all those driving to the game on pressure-monitored tires? Was every car tire suddenly underinflated, or just the footballs?


35 posted on 05/24/2016 1:51:18 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: sargon
“The evidence from the investigation shows that there was something fishy going on. Read the transcripts of the text messages, for one thing.”

The Wells investigation was completely fraudulent and was the reason the judge overturned the arbitration decision. There is no evidence of Brady doing anything “fishy”. There is evidence of the NFL and Goodell continually lying and releasing false information.

If you think honesty is a “left wing attitude” then I have to disagree. The first judge was honest. He saw that Goodell had continually lied and that the behavior was so egregious as to exceed the extremely high bar required to overturn an arbitration decision.

The NFL, like any organization, can discipline players but must observe a minimum standard of honesty and fairness.

Learn about the law and why the first judge overturned Goodell’s decision. And why one of the 3 judges also voted to overturn. Two of the four judges that heard the case have felt that Goodell’s actions were so egregious that his decision needed to be overturned.

36 posted on 05/24/2016 1:59:35 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

Finally!! Someone gets it!


37 posted on 05/24/2016 2:01:57 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who dies)
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To: detective

So what? “Distinguished scientists” told us that New York City would be underwater by now.


38 posted on 05/24/2016 2:02:24 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Sgt_Schultze
“If the cold weather had such a disasterous influence on the ball pressure, what about all those driving to the game on pressure-monitored tires? Was every car tire suddenly underinflated, or just the footballs?”

Cold weather does not have a “disastrous influence” on footballs. Science teaches us that the air pressure is dependent on temperature. If you go from a warm locker room to the cold outdoors air pressure will decrease. Most cars are parked outside or in unheated garages during the winter. Tire pressure is not effected. However, when the weather gets cold tire pressure decreases. I bring my car in to have the tire pressure adjusted every late November or early December.

39 posted on 05/24/2016 2:06:03 PM PDT by detective
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To: Boogieman

“Distinguished scientists” told us that New York City would be underwater by now.”

No they did not.

Al Gore and some other phony politicians and media types were the ones who said that. Not one reputable scientist made that claim. The media made that claim.


40 posted on 05/24/2016 2:07:58 PM PDT by detective
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