If you’ve ever purchased a gun and gone through the NICS background check you are in a federal database as a gun owner.
And don’t give me that nonsense that it’s illegal for them to retain that information.
Ya, thats the reality of it. Despite being told not to, federal LE has done just that. While a database may not exist as such Im sure it would be a very easy matter to create it from records that were ‘purged’ but backedup. The ATF does something similar with 4473s. When they visit an FFL almost all the time copies of 4473s for HGs and so called assault weapons are made. These are certainly put into a database.
That said lets consider NICS and prosecutions to date of prohibited purchasers - it almost never happens. A larger database likely wouldnt be used for broad harassment of gun onwers. To begin it would be used to make a few high profile cases to cow the rest of us. If that doesnt work more draconian mathods would be applied...to people in the database.
OTOH we all know the end of any database is confiscation. Its just the way those things work. It begins though with the best on intentions.
++++If you’ve ever purchased a gun and gone through the NICS background check you are in a federal database as a gun owner.+++++
^^^ THIS
Your name, DOB, drivers license and SS if entered was in their computer before you walked out the door with your purchase. Just the NICS clerk keying the query for the check into their system stores it in their system. Anyone that believes the feds ‘oh we dont save that data’ is prime target for selling unnamed bridges.
I’ve heard that gun background checks are supposedly destroyed after 6 months. However, a friend purchased a collectible Colt on Gunbroker. Two years and an out-of-state move later, ATF contacted him and confiscated the firearm. A “routine” review of purchases found the item. My theory is that these records never go away, they just get renamed and put in another file category.
Yep. Anytime you have filled out a 4473 there is a chain of ownership. The ATF is notorious for bringing copy machines with them when they audit a FFL so they can copy off the 4473. In CA the state ties your DL# to your handgun ownership. I have heard scanner chatter to that effect as a DL# is run to look for handgun ownership.
>And don’t give me that nonsense that it’s illegal for them to retain that information.
There’s a detail of distinction: Yes, it’s illegal to do so, but who’s going to do what to prosecute?
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Course, you could always setup a ‘what if’ w/ family and friends: If they EVER bought an XYZ and didn’t like it, you’d very much take it off their hands for what they paid.
Private sale, no ‘straw purchase’ per se, no registry.
that’s what I have thought for years
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