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White Flag: Neocon Chief J-Pod Says Trump Will Be The Nominee
Breitbart.com ^ | May 1, 2016 | Patrick Howley

Posted on 05/01/2016 2:02:11 PM PDT by Biggirl

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To: dragnet2
There is only one reason at this point why Mr. Cruz is still in the race. Everyone can be assured he is not motivated by good intentions. The party insider$ have directed Mr. Cruz to stay in the race, as long as there is a glimmer of a chance the party can swindle the election and install yet another party insider into power.

Cruz is still in the race to give the Republicans a brokered convention. He either thinks that the RNC will pick him in an open convention, in which case he's delusional, or else he knows he can't win and is just doing this a cynical maneuver to get some favors in return from the RNC. My guess is that the party has promised not to back whoever tries to run against him in the Senate primaries.

81 posted on 05/02/2016 7:49:23 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

That’s what I said, yep.


82 posted on 05/02/2016 8:30:28 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: max americana

I would argue that Bernie doesn’t look haggard

Bubba is haggard

Bernie is pink and healthy compared to bubba

Bernie is half a decade older


83 posted on 05/02/2016 8:35:25 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....)
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To: ecomcon; zeestephen

“and because I believe America must have the strongest military in the world and must assertively stamp out, or contain, dangerous countries and psychopathic tyrants.”

Mix one part Woodrow Wilson, one part GW Bush, add in a healthy lump of Neocon Utopian Internationalism, and you get the above.

I’m not a big fan of John Quincy Adams but I agree with this that he said about America:

“Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

Wars are easy enough to start but very hard to control. Most times they end up producing results dramatically different than predicted by those eager to join them.

World War One began with the murder of an Austro-Hungarian Archduke. Austria and Germany used it as an excuse to punish Serbia and make a land grab at the crumbling Ottoman Empire. The spiderweb of alliances pulled all of Europe into the biggest war in history.

How did that work out? All of the great Houses of Europe crumbled. Austro-Hungary ceased to exist. The Czar was murdered and Russia taken over by Communism. Britain and France lost a huge amount of their young men. Germany was left an embittered people simmering for revenge. America rode in to save the day, and we left behind a victory that sowed the seeds for the second world war a mere 20 years later.

The Second World War began with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia each grabbing half of Poland. Britain and France declared war on both of them. The goal was to liberate Poland. 50 years later, after many millions dead, long after the end of WWII, Poland was finally liberated when the Soviet Union collapsed.

In 1950 we were pulled into a war in Korea which killed nearly as many Americans as the much longer Vietnam War. Few Americans even remember it. Korea is still divided 65 years later. We still have troops there.

In the late ‘50s, early ‘60s we blundered into another land war in Asia, in Vietnam. Fought for the noble purposes that our friend zeestephen speaks of. But Americans tire of never-ending bloodbaths that kill their sons and brothers and fathers with no end in sight. There was no enthusiasm for that war as our part rolled to an ignoble stop in the early 70s.

And more recently we had Bush’s great experiment in nation building in Iraq. A more muddle-headed idea is hard to imagine. Only a crew butt-ignorant about Islam would think that it would be a good idea. But the neocon Democracy Project was fully capable of butt-ignorance, and they sold Bush on their idiotic idea. Which as usual gets paid for by others who are wearing a uniform.


84 posted on 05/02/2016 7:43:22 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Biggirl
Time was when even the "palaeos" at the John Birch Society supported Commentary. But now it seems everyone who doesn't hate Israel is a "neocon."
85 posted on 05/02/2016 8:45:08 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Time was when even the "palaeos" at the John Birch Society supported Commentary. But now it seems everyone who doesn't hate Israel is a "neocon.""

What nonsense

The Neoconservative Counterrevolution

Norman Podhoretz – Reflections of a Jewish Neoconservative

Read, listen, learn

86 posted on 05/02/2016 11:30:20 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Pelham

That says it all.


87 posted on 05/03/2016 5:58:58 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: zeestephen; Pelham
must assertively stamp out, or contain, dangerous countries and psychopathic tyrants.

Most of Africa is ruled by psychopathic tyrants. According to you and the Commentary team, should we send troops to occupy all of Africa, start nation building there, and attempt to install "Democracies" there?

Tragically, on almost every other issue, I believe most of the writers at Commentary would be completely comfortable in the Democratic Party.

The neoconservative foreign policy agenda isn't all that different from Hillary Clinton and other liberal interventionists. John Podhoretz was probably much happier with liberal "nation-builders" like the Clintons and Madeleine Albright than he would have been with foreign policy realists like Lawrence Eagleburger, James Baker, or Cap Weinberger. It wasn't until the George W. Bush administration that neoconservatives came to dominate Republican foreign policy.

88 posted on 05/03/2016 6:22:18 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; ecomcon; zeestephen

“Most of Africa is ruled by psychopathic tyrants. According to you and the Commentary team, should we send troops to occupy all of Africa, start nation building there, and attempt to install “Democracies” there?”

Over the years I’ve heard Dennis Prager advocate something just like that. He’d send our military into the middle of the vicious civil wars in Africa.

Dennis is one of the neocon/GOPe talkers at Salem radio- and Dennis, like his neocon pals Michael Medved and Hugh Hewitt, played a role in giving Dubya bad advice.

One thing a lot of these characters have in common is that they managed to avoid military service- Medved going as far as leading demonstrations against the Vietnam war that benefited Hanoi- and now that they are safely older they imagine themselves to be Churchill, and think that their chance for glory will come by sending GIs all over the globe to remake it.

ek_hornbeck is right when he compares neocon foreign policy with Liberal Internationalism. It’s a belligerent version of liberal internationalism, full of hubris and spoiling for a fight. Obama has been mimicking it by knocking off Khaddafi, by overthrowing Mubarak, by attempting to overthrow Assad in Syria.

Like Bush’s Iraq adventure these took on a life of their own with unintended and mostly disastrous consequences. I’m wondering if we shouldn’t reinstate the draft. That at least makes everyone focus on what is going on outside our borders and could go a long way to reigning in these Churchill wannabes who have wormed their way into power.


89 posted on 05/03/2016 8:41:13 AM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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