Posted on 04/30/2016 5:29:17 PM PDT by dynoman
So now that’s somehow a status symbol? My grandmother went through Ellis Island, but that doesn’t make me qualified to be POTUS.
My guess:
The National Enquire articles are completely correct. Heidi knows it.
Seems to me that Heidi is totally ticked and this is one way to get back at Cruz.
“We have been doing fine for over 50 presidential elections and I wouldn’t expect any major changes soon.
It’s just not a burning issue. If an ineligible candidate runs, he’ll lose.”
Ineligible candidates displace eligible candidates and thereby denies the electorate the opportunity and right to vote for eligible candidates. Ineligible candidates such as Chester Arthur and Obama have been unlawfully elected and made profound changes to U.S. history. Many more candidates such as McCain, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and others have displaced eligible candidates who may have been able to have more success at stopping the corruption in the Federal and state governments.
All else is Swiss baloney. ;-)
Of course, if you're wrong . . .
If you are comfortable with your definition of natural born citizen, then use that definition. You shouldn't worry about why the judges are not agreeing with you. The definition that you use will make no difference in 50 years.
Wow. That’s an impressive view of things. Thanks.
In any event, our system has worked well for over 50 straight elections. Obviously, they have sometimes chosen people that we might not have chosen, but the system isn't designed to make all of us happy all the time. The fact that we don't like a particular candidate does not mean that we should try to concoct a crackpot theory based upon invented facts so that we can pretend that we have been victimized by the system.
In my view, a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen and that definition even applies to the candidates that I don't like for other reasons.
Thats strange. How can one be both a natural born citizen and immigrant? That’s just idiotic.
That immigrant comment will be all over the Sunday shows, along with delegate hanky-panky in Arizona.
And, if rumor is to be believed, a new poll in Indiana with devastating results for Cruz.
I dont give a flying ashtray what rock he crawled out from ... he’s still a lying toady.
She’ll probably come out with a clarification, saying she meant he immigrated to Canada from the USA but never denounced his citizenship here.
Do pathological liars make good justices?
Lmao. Spoken like a true Canuck!
“Both Chester Arthur and Obama meet my definition of natural born citizens. Our history records that Arthur was born in Fairfield, Vermont and Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.”
Your definition is irrelevant to the actual applicable rule of law. My definition is irrelevant to the actual applicable law. What is relevant is the actual law and lawful precedents.
Chester Arthur was born without any U.S. citizenship, but he was born in Vermont as a British subject and only as a British subject. He was retroactively naturalized as a U.S. citizen by an act of Congress many years after his birth in Vermont. His father was a British subject born in Ireland and emigrated to British Canada. His mother was a U.S. citizen until she expatriated her natural born citizenship in the U.S. by her marriage to a British subject, William Arthur, in Canada and established her residence in Canada as a British subject. her first child was born in Canada as a British subject, after which the family moved to Vermont to live as British subject immigrants in Vermont. Chester Arthur was then born in Vermont as an alien British subject with two British subject parents. Although the later act of Congress retroactively granted blanket naturalization to such persons as Chester Arthur born within the United States with alien pareents, his naturalized citizenship disqualified any possibility whatsoever of Chester Arthur being a natural born citizen of the United States. Hence the Electors in the Electoral College unknowingly and unlawfully voted an alien born and naturalized U.S. citizen as Vice President of the United States.
“Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.”
Obama repeatedly published the actual fact that he was born in Kenya for many for about fifteen years before he changed his story to campaign for POTUS. In any event, Barack Hussien Obama’s legal father of record was not a U.S. citizen as required to qualify as a natural born citizen of the United States and for eligibility as POTUS. Barack Hussein Obama’s mother was not old enough to qualify her son for the acquisition of naturalized U.S. citizenship, and a mother’s U.S. citizenship is insufficient in any event o qualify a child as a natural born citizen of the U.S. The purported Hawaiian birth certificate is a fraudulent document with no more authenticity than a brown paper grocery bag with the words birth certificate scrawled on it in multi-colored Crayola crayons.
“All else is Swiss baloney. ;-)”
Your objections are even more fake than Obama’s cartoonish Hawaiian birth certificate.
“When I say that the electors have not made any mistakes, I mean that as a group they have never elected an ineligible candidate.”
That is a false statement, because Chester Arthur was a naturalized citizen of the United States by an act of Congress and was in no way possible a natural born citizen of the United States and Barack Hussein Obama was also not a natural born citizen of the United States under any possible theory. In fact, Barack Hussein Obama is most likely an illegal immigrant using fraudulently obtained identity documents pretending to be a U.S. citizen. Consequently, the Electors have made mistakes in at least three elections.
“I recognize that there may have been some rogue electors, including (apparently) the three who voted for a dead Greeley. They may have felt that they had no choice.
In any event, our system has worked well for over 50 straight elections.”
That statement is no less ludicrous than the statements Baghdad Bob made falsely denying the American tanks were not loose in Baghdad only blocks away from where he was giving the news conference. Barack Hussein Obama and his enablers like yourself have cause some of the worst damage to the U.S. rule of law ever seen in all of U.S. history.
“Obviously, they have sometimes chosen people that we might not have chosen, but the system isn’t designed to make all of us happy all the time. The fact that we don’t like a particular candidate does not mean that we should try to concoct a crackpot theory based upon invented facts so that we can pretend that we have been victimized by the system.”
The invented and crackpot disinformation is coming from people like you, which is obviously the reason why you are so determined to disregard and misrepresent the written laws and historical facts that refute your crackpot claims enabling the crimes of Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Obama, etc.
“In my view, a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen and that definition even applies to the candidates that I don’t like for other reasons.”
You keep repeating that false propaganda in complete disregard for the historical facts that such persons were previously denied any form of U.S. citizenship, e.g. 1802-1855 and later so it was quite impossible for the person situated in the same circumstances of birthto be qualified as natural born citizens today.
But if Eleanor’s passport number was invalid, then how did the “Report of Death of an American Citizen Abroad” for Michael get generated?
Alan Wilson was (and is) an American citizen, and was named as the father on that Report (even though later on, it came out that he wasn’t ).
Maybe Alan acknowledged paternity back then, and that’s how Michael got us citizenship.
So it’s possible Eleanor could have changed to English citizenship.
But them what passport did she use to get back into the US?
That document shows a UK address for her, and a US address for the friend or relative of hers.
Ted’s sealing of his mom’s info is indicative that he has something to hide....
Vote TRUMP!!
And what about when Ted went to England when in high school, for some competition?
He would have needed a passport for that.
We need to find out the rules in 1985 to 1988, governing what supporting documents his mom would have had to submit, in with the passport app for him.
Excellent analysis, Jay!
Up to the early part of last century, if a father naturalized and got US citizenship, his wife (and any children) got US citizenship also. This was known as “derivative citizenship”.
I.E., the husband and wife were treated as one.
Applying that to the 1790 act, the act could then be seen as saying that this derivative US citizenship was the same as natural born citizenship.
That, IMHO, is why they later took out the “ natural born” reference to children born abroad to US citizens (husband-wife as a unit).
Thus, we have the definition of “ natural born” as being ‘born in the US to citizen parents’.
And in 1985 to 1986 Ted was in high school.
At some point, he needed a passport to go to a high school competition in England.
What docs did his mom submit, along with the passport app?
We need to find out the passport app rules for those years.
You nailed it.
Heidi is supposed to be so smart.
So we’re supposed to believe this long into the campaign, with all the coaching etc, and at this critical point and all the marbles for Indiana for Cruz, she just lets that slip out?
I don’t buy it. We all know women like her. After the Enquirer story broke, I think Heidi was just biding her time and waiting for the perfect moment to stick it Ted.
When Ted finally quits, I expect the separation to follow soon after.
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