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Conscientious Objectors
Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2016 | Mike Adams

Posted on 04/22/2016 5:21:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Blue Collar Christian; NorthMountain

The movie had it right
York was drafted in spite of being a CO because his church was not an approved church by the Federals. He was convinced by his NCOs and officers that he would be saving more lives as a rifleman than as a non combatant.

I guess, I should have spelled it out. but I assumed........ ............


21 posted on 04/22/2016 7:09:52 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: thirst4truth

That’s a sad story - your Dad deserved better than that. Both of my Grandfathers served in WWI, my Dad and my Uncles served in WWII and when our time came, my Brother and I served in Vietnam.

The enemy made it easy to overcome any qualms about killing them.


22 posted on 04/22/2016 7:13:22 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Kaslin

The non-coward COs served as medics. The highly coward ones ran to Canada. Some principled ones stayed and served jail time.


23 posted on 04/22/2016 7:18:42 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not about morals or about access to service. Nowhere is there a shortage of florists, bakers, or photographers willing to work a gay wedding. Nowhere is there a sincere gay “couple” who wants their wedding photographed or their cake baked by someone who finds the pretend-marriage ceremony revolting. They want to crush people with decent morals. These are thugs, nothing more.

In the long run, I would like to see those who abuse government power in this manner punished, and I’m okay with everything up to and including the death penalty. That’s what the law says.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution . . . shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


24 posted on 04/22/2016 7:22:45 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: oh8eleven

You can thank Jimmy Carter for that. All those guys that got drafted could have just run off to Canada—and just a couple years later, been absolved.


25 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:13 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: onedoug

502 101st Airmobile FOB Bastogne, hello Brother!


26 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:23 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: NorthMountain
Sgt Alvin York was persuaded that his conscientious objection was based on a mistaken interpretation of the Bible.

"Thou shalt not kill" should properly read "Thou shalt not murder". Killing in war is (usually) not murder.

27 posted on 04/22/2016 7:27:47 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: oh8eleven

***However, the real crime was allowing the cowards to slither back to America.***

Thank Jimmy Carter for that! 2nd worst president in my lifetime!


28 posted on 04/22/2016 7:28:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Tupelo
All objectors are equal. But some objectors are more equal than others

Add Desmond Doss as a “conscientious objectors" hero.

Sgt. York was a famous conscientious objector because of what he did with his gun.

Desmond Doss was a famous conscientious objector because of what he did without a gun. A story that will amaze most people.

29 posted on 04/22/2016 7:30:35 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: Tupelo
I wonder how many COs actually ended up in the military. I know some became medics and corpsmen and at least one became a rifleman and was the recipient of the Medal of Honor. Sgt Alvin York.

Quite true. The concept of COs has a long history in this country. It is the same basic idea behind some of the early laws regarding militia service. Those with strongly held objections were not required to muster with the militia. Naturally, there are cowards who take advantage, but there are also those who have strong moral convictions against the taking up of arms.

Sgt York was an excellent example. He was, I believe, a Quaker, who struggled mightily with his conscience about the morality of bearing arms against his fellow man. Eventually he worked through his moral objections in the face of the evil we stood against, and went on to be a recipient of our highest military honors. Obviously, it wasn't cowardice that had motivated his objections.

Would we, as a society, have been wrong to have forced him to bear arms? I believe so. It is unfortunate that the unscrupulous can also take advantage of the morality behind this, but I suspect it is unavoidable. There are also many things that one might do in service of the nation that does not require one to become an active combatant. In a just society you have to make allowances for this, and the same should go for the other circumstances enumerated by the author of the article.

Forcing a man to act against his own morality is unjust and immoral.

30 posted on 04/22/2016 8:07:04 AM PDT by zeugma (Woohoo! It looks like I'll get to vote for an abrasive clown for president!)
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To: Dusty Road

“Welcome Home!”


31 posted on 04/22/2016 8:08:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Chainmail

Thank you for your service. I wasn’t much better, I marched a few times in Seattle against the war. I was young and stupid.


32 posted on 04/22/2016 11:22:06 AM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thank Jimmy Carter for that! 2nd worst president in my lifetime!

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Jimmy will drop to third place if Hillary is elected.


33 posted on 04/22/2016 11:39:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: zeugma
Forcing a man to act against his own morality is unjust and immoral.

You have it exactly right with that. Most of our neighbors on the left-side of the fence are oblivious to the fact that their heavy-handed mauling of Christians with respect to "gay" activities is killing conscientious objection, in every endeavor and guise.
34 posted on 04/22/2016 6:42:09 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Montana_Sam

>You have it exactly right with that. Most of our neighbors on the left-side of the fence are oblivious to the fact that their heavy-handed mauling of Christians with respect to “gay” activities is killing conscientious objection, in every endeavor and guise.

They want slaves, not free people.


35 posted on 04/22/2016 6:44:14 PM PDT by RedWulf ((Trump supporter))
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To: onedoug
"I knew “conscientious objectors” who served in Vietnam anyway, without weapons"
Same same. Their choice and, IMO, they did the honorable thing.
36 posted on 04/26/2016 2:27:31 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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