Posted on 04/18/2016 8:05:33 PM PDT by dontreadthis
About those ‘party rules’… ‘Rules that can be manipulated by the PARTY BOSSES to cancel a vote after the primary season under way– are not rules —it’s called strategy. And it absolutely IS crooked as hell. On August 25, when Colorado Party Bosses canceled the VOTE…Trump had just emerged as the CLEAR ‘double digit’ Frontrunner. And the candidates were prepping for their 2nd debate… Of course the intent was to block Trump.
Cruz won by getting the majority of votes.
Like Trump did.
You have a problem with the former, you should have to have a problem with the latter.
Not a unanimous favorite? Was that a requirement to win delegates? If it was, Trump has some delegates to give back in other states.
You still don’t really understand the delegate selection process there. Neither, apparently did Trump. Isn’t he the insider politics, the organizational guy, the great manager, deal-making king?
>>>You asked how “voters” were disenfranchised
Yeah, I did. Still don’t have an answer from you.
Nah, it follows the way this thing has gone. Trump is absurd and people still follow him, parrot his absurdity, media still covers him...
We have arrived at Bizaaro World
...Cruz supporters are just as “done” with leftist like Trump.
I’m sorry that you chose a voter disenfranchising GOPE sleazebag to support.
Do whatever you think is right, I guarantee you that I will.
Taking just part A... What are the good ideas? And why believe he really believes them? I don’t see the good ideas and I don’t think the business person really really believes anything - past saying them now to *win*.
Why should I think otherwise?
You surely would agree that he acts petulantly. Not a confidence builder IMHO.
But when Jeb Bush got squashed like an insect, the GOPe had to designate different insider to take advantage of the "greased skids", rigged process.
ted Cruz was the designated beneficiary, and thus he got the delegates that were stolen. It had nothing whatsoever to do with a superior ground game.
Colorado Delegates Speak Out On The Steal
Was it all "by the rules"? Yes, it was.
Did it suck green donkey d---s as far as fairness was concerned? Yes, it did.
Perception is reality in politics, and Donald Trump turned lemons into lemonade in this circumstance.
And Ted Cruz, appropriately, has been branded as GOPe, which is true enough this election cycle.
So, you go ahead and stay in denial. We'll do fine without you, and without Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz has lost. He will have been mathematically eliminated after the next Tuesday or two. His only hope was to get the nomination at a contested GOP convention, which would irreparably splinter the party, and guarantee a GOP defeat in November.
Simply put, that's not going to happen. Not even the crooked GOPe is that stupid.
By the way, since Wisconsin, what else has happened (besides the Colorado delegate theft) to cause Ted Cruz's obvious slide in the polls?
Ted Cruz is trailing a distant third to even John Kasich in most Northeast states. How do you explain that?
And don't start bleating about "Northeast liberals", because Cruz also got crushed throughout the South.
You Cruz fanboys are really becoming nothing more than a comical or pathetic sideshow, depending on how you look at it.
Ted Cruz's greased skid "victories" in Colorado and Wyoming are a net plus for Donald Trump.
Buh bye, Ted.
Vote Trump
Yes, because it was based on voter participation by the entire GOP electorate. Every registered GOP voter had a chance to vote their Presidential preference.
What happened in Colorado was the diametric opposite.
And it's killing Ted Cruz in the perception of the GOP voters around the country.
So enjoy your snotty Cruz fanboy snark, because it ain't going to be around for much longer.
And make sure to do as you're told by your idol Ted Cruz when he tells you to unify the party behind the presumptive nominee, Donald Trump.
Ultimately, Ted Cruz will finally end up showing some statesmanship and leadership when he directs his supporters to support Donald Trump.
Join the Revolution!
Vote Trump
Is it fair that Trump got 46% of the vote in your state and gets 100% of the delegates.
Yes, because it was based on voter participation by the entire GOP electorate. Every registered GOP voter had a chance to vote their Presidential preference.
What happened in Colorado was the diametric opposite.
And it’s killing Ted Cruz in the perception of the GOP voters around the country.
All registered republicans could vote.
Then let’s see a link with the voter totals for CO. Certainly if there were votes they were recorded and tallied, right? If you can’t provide a link, then it’s questionable there was any real vote or the vote was irrelevant to a preordained outcome.
Why was the the post with the video link pulled?
The post is there, just not comment 27 which was posted at #40
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3422346/posts?page=40#40
Thread with link to video:
Ex-Rep. Tom Tancredo: GOP ‘Manipulated’ Colorado’s Convention
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3422296/posts
video here
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/colorado-delegates-ted-cruz-donald-trump/2016/04/15/id/724224/
Here’s what House said on air Aug. 29 (2015):
House: When you go to caucus – and I have run a county before — you go to caucus and instead of having 50 people show up you have 500 people show up because they want to vote in the straw poll, you’re trying to get the caucus process executed properly, which is very important because we have state politics that depend on that experience. And what goes on in selecting delgates — and ultimately, candidates –it’s very, very important for us to do that. When you add in the straw poll, during that experience, it inflates the number people who come by a dramatic amount, and all kinds of problems ensue. And I think that is part of the reason why the county chairs, on executive committee especially, were very opposed to doing it this way because they believed it will disrupt the overall process and it won’t gain us that much. So, I think that’s part of the – that’s probably one of the bigger reasons why the decision came down the way it did.
And here is the full discussion on the topic:
HOST CRAIG SILVERMAN: Well, I appreciate you coming on my show. The talk of the Colorado right now is, why don’t we get to participate in this exciting GOP presidential primary?
COLORADO GOP CHAIR, STEVE HOUSE: Well, we are going to participate. I mean, if you were sitting in that executive committee meeting when we had that discussion, I mean – the executive committee is made up mostly of large and small county chairs, and a lot of liberty activist folks are on the committee, and people believe that by picking the right delegates and giving them the authority to represent Colorado at the convention, we’re still participating. I don’t believe for a minute the Presidential candidates are not going to come out here and try to have impact on who those delegates are, and what they vote for. I think if the rules hadn’t changed, I don’t think – well, there would still be a question, Craig. Because there’s a fair number of counties that deal with preference polls at caucus, and I think that’s the other thing that a lot of people don’t understand. When you go to caucus – and I have run a county before — you go to caucus and instead of having 50 people show up you have 500 people show up because they want to vote in the straw poll, you’re trying to get the caucus process executed properly, which is very important because we have state politics that depend on that experience. And what goes on in selecting delgates — and ultimately, candidates –it’s very, very important for us to do that. When you add in the straw poll, during that experience, it inflates the number people who come by a dramatic amount, and all kinds of problems ensue. And I think that is part of the reason why the county chairs, on executive committee especially, were very opposed to doing it this way because they believed it will disrupt the overall process and it won’t gain us that much. So, I think that’s part of the – that’s probably one of the bigger reasons why the decision came down the way it did.
SILVERMAN: But it seems like such an elitist game. You talk about “the right delegates” being selected. How do people in the public know who the right delegates are? It seems like it’s all going to be Republican insiders.
HOUSE: You know, it’s not really the people in the public. If you are willing to go to caucus, and you’re still willing to go to caucus, and you work through the process, ultimately it comes down to picking 37 –acutally, 34 delegates – three are already designated, but picking 34 delegates and 34 alternates at the state assembly – that processes hasn’t changed at all. So, if you go participate, and you start to figure out, you know, which delegates are to going to represent your interests, they in many cases will talk about who they represent from a presidential perspective that, in the end, the people who go there are very invested, very committed Republicans who want to see the right thing happen to the state, and for the nation, as opposed to – you know, what if you did a preference poll where you said, “Look, instead of doing it in a caucus, you did a preference poll across the entire state to decide who our delegates are. Now you’re getting into the primary territory, and that’s where a lot of people are very passionate about caucus want those delegates to have the ability to pick the presidential candidate they want, and not be based on a straw poll in March, if they many things change between March and July, as they probably will.
SILVERMAN: Right. But why doesn’t Colorado have a primary? I think back to 1992, and my old Colorado College professor, Bob Loevy – who is going to be a guest next week on my show — he decries the way that political parties select nominees. It seems like a fixed process. Now we’re learning the Democrats, with their superdelegates, Hillary Clinton kind of the has it in the bag, if she can stay out of jail. But back in ’92, I remember when Paul Tsongas, Bill Clinton, Tom Harkin — they debated in Denver, Colorado. And even back then with the Republicans there was incumbent George Herbert Walker Bush being challenged by Pat Buchanan and people in Colorado got to vote on those things. Coloradans like to vote. They like elections. How come you’re not giving it to them?
HOUSE: Well, look, you talking about a primary process that did occur back in ’92, and I think, that’s a legislative issue. I mean, that’s something where you’ve got to get to the legislators and decide how you want to handle that. Um, we really think that what will happen here is, the process is not any different than it was four years ago, now. If we don’t do a binding straw poll, it’s no different than it was four years ago. The delegates are selected the same way. They go to the convention unbound, exactly like they were four years ago. And there has been many, many people who defend that process very, very passionately. In fact, I’ll tell you that all the feedback I’ve got – besides, you know, Chuck Todd and his stoner comment, and as far as I’m concerned, we’d be stoned if we were going to listen to Chuck Todd to begin with. Um, you know, that whole thing – that whole process–
SILVERMAN: You mean, sleepy-eyed Chuck Todd? That’s what Donald Trump calls him. And, just to bypass the rest of this stuff, doesn’t this come down to Donald Trump? Isn’t it true that the Republican establishment really disdains Donald Trump and is going to design every role to pose an obstacle to him becoming the Republican nominee?
HOUSE: I haven’t heard Republican National Committee people say that, Craig, but, you know, look. When you go back—
SILVERMAN: But they feel it.
HOUSE: They may very well feel it. As far as I’m concerned, I’m very interested in hearing from Donald Trump as much as I am anybody else. And I believe they will actively come to Colorado, not only for the debate on October 20, but throughout the process to try to get Colorado delegates and people who support those delegates, to go their way. I think if the guy standing is there with 25% of the vote, you’ve got to take him seriously. He’s got a double-digit lead. I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t take every single candidate seriously. I had somebody ask me the other day, “Are you doing this to prevent fringe candidates from getting delegates?” And I said, “I don’t consider any of our people to be fringe candidates, I don’t know where you come up with that process.” So, the overwhelming response I’ve got has been that it’s better the way it is. If the preference poll were not binding and our delegates could ultimately go and make decisions based on what was current at the time – and especially if the potential exists for a brokered convention, although it doesn’t happen often – this is a very unique year. We will be in a lot more powerful position to influence what happens, and who the eventual nominee is, this way, than we would if we were bound to a preference poll five months before the convention
SILVERMAN: Steve House, the chairman of the Colorado GOP, good enough to join us.
There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes. Steve House got caught cheating on his wife and allegations of blackmail within the Colorado state republican party have been rumored since July.
Yes, he’s a propagandist. He comes on every thread and tries to equate Winner take all or W_take_most or Winner _by_Congressional District with slimy micro caucus voting by .0001% of the voters. You need to refer to an educational website that defines these differences. He knows and is defending corruption to justify the cruz delegate wins.
CO:: But behind the scenes there’s a sex scandal and alleged blackmail involving the Colorado state party chairman - Steve House.
It involves the Colorado Attorney General, statements by Tom Tancredo and a highly divisive atmosphere, to say the very least.
I’m not interested in the right scoop or ken cuccinelli.
Curious—Trump had plenty to say here about the lack of organization in a Presidential race—But then, I’m sure he has “evolved” since then and it couldn’t possible apply to himself, right? :
Listen, don’t bother trying to defend Ted Cruz’s disenfranchising of voters who VOTED for Trump in districts that Trump won.
I’m not f***in’ interested, okay?
If you support that type of crap, then by all means vote for Ted Cruz.
I don’t support that type of crap at all, so I won’t be voting for him.
I do not feel compelled to keep scumbag A out of office by voting for scumbag B.
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