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Forget developing a 6th generation fighter, restart the F-22
Business Insider ^ | April 1st, 2016 | Dario Leone, The Aviationist

Posted on 04/01/2016 3:57:03 PM PDT by Mariner

The development of a sixth generation fighter should not be a top priority for the US Air Force given that, according to Rob Weiss, executive vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin’s legendary Skunk Works division, regular updates to the F-22 and F-35 would keep the edge of the current stealth fighters over China’s and Russia’s future fifth generation warplanes.

Weiss recently told to DefenseOne.com, that these aircraft already enable the to have a distinct advantage over the capabilities its adversaries are developing and that a replacement for today’s F-22 and F-35 fighter jets isn’t needed anytime soon.

“We’ve done this analysis for more than a decade now and it’s clear that the fifth-generation F-22s and F-35s are very capable versus a threat and substantially more capable than any fourth-generation airplane. There’s, in our view, little point in developing a new airplane that doesn’t do anything more than what you can do as you modernize F-22s and F-35s.”

Instead the Pentagon should invest in developing “truly game-changing technologies and capabilities” that will be part of the future sixth-generation fighter whose development, added Weiss, should start in a decade or more from now.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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Lockheed hears the Air Force pining for more airfarames sooner.

And they know that while the F-35 is superior to the F-16 in overall warfighting, it costs too much.

They also hear the Pentagon calling for some F-15c-2040's and the Navy for more Super Hornets...both from McDonnell Douglas.

Now, all we need is the corrupt US Congress aboard. They are paid to protect the existing F-35 production lines. In many cases their reelection depends on it.

1 posted on 04/01/2016 3:57:03 PM PDT by Mariner
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2 posted on 04/01/2016 3:58:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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What? HERESY!!! How DARE you insult the F-35!!! Why don’t you know what an amazing aircraft it is?

If you don’t then be patient and one of the Kool-Aid sippers will be along any moment to tell you how it’s superior to the A-10, the F-16, the F-22, the B-2, the B-52, the C-5, the X-wing, the TIE fighter, flying saucers, and the Millennium Falcon. All for the bargain price of OH, MY GOD!!!


3 posted on 04/01/2016 4:02:23 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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We could probably just buy them direct from China by now.


4 posted on 04/01/2016 4:02:54 PM PDT by Trod Upon (To be labelled "far-right" by modern journalists, one need do no more than NOT be far-left.)
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The F-35 is not superior to the F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22 and I’ll go all the way back to the F-4 & F-14.

The F-35 is a piece of shit, it can’t do a 3rd of what it was desighed for and has been beaten badly in match ups against the F-15 & 16.


5 posted on 04/01/2016 4:03:28 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising a new Civil War needs to happen.)
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Yep!

Start that F-22 line back up!


6 posted on 04/01/2016 4:12:53 PM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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But it has stealth features. Isn’t that what REALLY counts?


7 posted on 04/01/2016 4:13:22 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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Bleeding-edge technology is very, very expensive. And has anybody defined a set of charactaristics that would constitute “6th Generation”?


8 posted on 04/01/2016 4:14:45 PM PDT by Tallguy
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Regarding you suggestion that Lockheed bribes politicians.....

If you care to take a look, on average they contribute $500 to every D and R on the list.


9 posted on 04/01/2016 4:15:36 PM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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No more manned fighters.


10 posted on 04/01/2016 4:21:05 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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"and has been beaten badly in match ups against the F-15 & 16"

You are measuring the wrong metrics.

The F-35 is FAR superior to the F-16 as currently outfitted.

Stealth, Avionics and Weapons Systems outclass ANYTHING the F-16 has to offer.

While it's true the F-16 beats it in acrobatics and range, that matters little in modern warfare from 100 miles out.

That said, ALL of those capabilities could be added to the F-16 except for the stealth.

But there's not a trillion dollars to be skimmed by the Congress to do that.

11 posted on 04/01/2016 4:21:08 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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"If you care to take a look, on average they contribute $500 to every D and R on the list."

Please consider PAC's, Super PAC's, speaking engagements, party contributions, family employment and jobs after un-election.

Lockheed has a much bigger "political" budget than that.

12 posted on 04/01/2016 4:24:15 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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We could probably just buy them direct from China by now.

Hmmm, we are buying unmanned target vehicles from Russia now, why not stock up on Su-35s? Got to be cheaper than F-35 is and kicks butt.

13 posted on 04/01/2016 4:33:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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It's not so much about having a functional state of the art aircraft as it is about big, fat, juicy cost-plus government contracts.

And the big, fat, juicy contributions that make their way back to politicians.

Note For the iGeneration:

Dwight D. Eisenhower was the US Army five-star general during World War II who was appointed
Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe. He later was elected as the 34th President of
the USA and served two terms in that capacity from 1953 to 1961.


14 posted on 04/01/2016 4:48:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Noah: 'When the animals began to pair up by specie and stand in line, I really took notice.')
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Sarah has one.

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15 posted on 04/01/2016 4:49:19 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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“They also hear the Pentagon calling for some F-15c-2040’s and the Navy for more Super Hornets...both from McDonnell Douglas.”

Last time I looked McDD was out of business. Sold years ago to Boeing!


16 posted on 04/01/2016 5:01:05 PM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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I’m familiar with their PACs.

They spread it just as thinly there.

You should see the maps of where Lockheed facilities are located.

Pretty sure it’s all 50 states and Hundreds of CDs.


17 posted on 04/01/2016 5:19:46 PM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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"family jobs"

Hundreds of Congressional Districts.

18 posted on 04/01/2016 5:25:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Defense contractors are smart. They place offices and manufacturing plants all over the country, often in small towns, so there is always some congressman defending whatever it is they are peddling to the military. Military procurement is almost entirely political now. The only military people who have influence are the retired ones hired as lobbyists. Lockheed Martin has a history of selling our military expensive crap that doesn’t work.


19 posted on 04/01/2016 5:36:53 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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Stealth, Avionics and Weapons Systems outclass ANYTHING the F-16 has to offer.

I'd like to see some F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s fitted with the same level of weapons and avionics as the F-35 (including the $400K helmet and related sensors), just to better evaluate the advantages that the remaining differences truly offer.

20 posted on 04/01/2016 5:39:58 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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