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HOW THE CONSTITUTION COULD LET THE HOUSE STOP BOTH CLINTON AND TRUMP: 12TH AMENDMENT 2016?
The Old Dominion LIbertarian ^ | January 14, 2016 | pangloss90

Posted on 03/30/2016 4:00:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

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It's pretty unlikely, but if you told me in 1999 what would happen in the 2000 election I'd be wondering what you were smoking.
1 posted on 03/30/2016 4:00:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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I duuno, but them big damn caps affect me.


2 posted on 03/30/2016 4:03:16 PM PDT by dforest (Ted took your money and is laughing all the way to Goldman Sachs)
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Another interesting wrinkle is that any state that has a tied vote in its delegation has no vote on in a given round of voting. That means states with delegations that have equal partisan makeup will cancel each other out and cause their states to have no vote if all members of both political parties represented in Congress vote along party lines for president. This is most likely to be a problem for medium sized states with even numbers of congressional districts. The congressmen representing the very smallest states with just 1 congressman will have quite a bit of power.


3 posted on 03/30/2016 4:03:47 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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Yep. And if my Uncle had been plumbed a little differently, then he might have been my Auntie.


4 posted on 03/30/2016 4:04:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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I duuno, but them big damn caps affect me.

Don't blame me. I just cut and pasted from the original.

5 posted on 03/30/2016 4:05:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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Yep. And if my Uncle had been plumbed a little differently, then he might have been my Auntie.

Considering all that happened for over a month after election day 2000, I wouldn't rule out even more bizarre things happening this time. I wasn't yet a member of Free Republic, but I lurked a lot on the post election and recount threads.

6 posted on 03/30/2016 4:09:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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If this had happened in 2008, and Obama was not chosen, we would have had riots.


7 posted on 03/30/2016 4:09:50 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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This kind of lunatic posting continues to drag FR down.


8 posted on 03/30/2016 4:11:15 PM PDT by paul544
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There is no implication that parties are considered within the amendment. Parties are not in the constitution at all.

The election of 1824 had this happen. John Quincey Adams (3d place finisher) was selected over Jackson and Clay in the famous “corrupt bargain”.


9 posted on 03/30/2016 4:11:35 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Nationalist, Patriot, Trumpman)
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This is yet another reason to expand the House of Representatives. The number shouldn’t be 435, it should be at least 10 times that number.

To reach the representation at the birth of our republic, there’d have to be 10,000+ members of the House of Representatives. At that size, we’d approach a more true mix of America.

That and a 5 term limit would do nicely.


10 posted on 03/30/2016 4:13:26 PM PDT by glorgau
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The House has decided twice--in 1801 and in 1825.

We have Roger Sherman to thank for that provision of the Constitution.

11 posted on 03/30/2016 4:30:05 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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If this had happened in 2008, and Obama was not chosen, we would have had riots.

It's highly unlikely for this to happen if a candidate has a popular majority. There has only been one presidential candidate who actually won a majority of the popular vote who failed to win a majority in the electoral college. That was Tilden who won 51% of the popular vote in 1876, but even then you should consider that was mostly because, racked up huge margins in former confederate states with margins up to 90% while losing most of the rest of the states. The electoral college penalizes a candidate or party that only has a regional appeal or who loses more states.

Every other time a presidential candidate has won the popular vote and lost the electoral college or has lost in the House of representatives, the candidate winning the popular vote only got a plurality. In 1824 there really wasn't a nationwide popular vote for president. There were large states like New York that didn't even have a popular vote for president. In 1888, incumbent president Grover Cleveland got less than a majority. In 2000, both Bush and Gore had less than a majority.

12 posted on 03/30/2016 4:32:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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It’s a possible scenario if Trump runs an independent or 3rd party Bid. No three candidates in this election other than Hillary(D), Trump(I), Cruz(R), in this scenario would be a a good bet. In other words you could wager a small amount for big payout.

On the other hand Hillary can get indicted, Cruz could be found in bed with a 14 year old boy of no particular race and Trump could run of with Megyn Kelly. Events so unlikely that you could never receive an adequate payout.


13 posted on 03/30/2016 4:32:27 PM PDT by Fhios (Going Donald Trump is as close to going John Galt as we'll get.)
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We’ve had riots before and we’ll have riots again. Our first riots were in 1791 when citizens rose up against federal taxes, the Whiskey Rebellion.


14 posted on 03/30/2016 4:32:31 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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It’s a possible scenario if Trump runs an independent or 3rd party Bid.

Not really likely, because of ballot access laws. Many states like Texas have "sore loser" laws. It is not possible to get on the ballot in many states if a candidate loses a party nomination but was a candidate in the primary. If the Republican race goes to the convention, all the states will have had primaries or caucuses. Whoever does not get the nomination will be barred from being on the ballot in most states.

15 posted on 03/30/2016 4:40:48 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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It’s a possible scenario if Trump runs an independent or 3rd party Bid.

Not really likely, because of ballot access laws. Many states like Texas have "sore loser" laws. It is not possible to get on the ballot in many states if a candidate loses a party nomination but was a candidate in the primary. If the Republican race goes to the convention, all the states will have had primaries or caucuses. Whoever does not get the nomination will be barred from being on the ballot in most states.

16 posted on 03/30/2016 4:40:48 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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Not really likely, because of ballot access laws. Many states like Texas have "sore loser" laws. It is not possible to get on the ballot in many states if a candidate loses a party nomination but was a candidate in the primary. If the Republican race goes to the convention, all the states will have had primaries or caucuses. Whoever does not get the nomination will be barred from being on the ballot in most states.

Is it absolute or are there provisions if the person gets a plurality but the party steals the nomination?
17 posted on 03/30/2016 4:55:51 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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I wouldn’t know if that was true or false. It’s easier to stick with my fantasy.


18 posted on 03/30/2016 5:00:58 PM PDT by Fhios (Going Donald Trump is as close to going John Galt as we'll get.)
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Is it absolute or are there provisions if the person gets a plurality but the party steals the nomination?

What do you mean by "steals the nomination"? The Republican Party has rules some of which have been in effect for 160 years about how conventions are conducted. It takes a majority vote of the delegates to win the nomination. If no candidate has a majority of delegates locked up prior to the convention, there could be a contested convention. It's no different than if a candidate does not get a majority in a primary and there is a runoff election to decide who will be the nominee. Coming in first without a majority is meaningless.

If a candidate participated in a state primary and does not get that party's nomination, that candidate is not allowed to run as an indpendent in that state's general election in the fall or as another party's candidate either. That's long standing election law in most states.

19 posted on 03/30/2016 5:06:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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It wouldn’t matter if 3rd party candidate was on the ballot in all states. All he needs is to have some electoral votes, which means he has to win at least one state. If Trump ran 3rd party, where would he win?


20 posted on 03/30/2016 5:12:43 PM PDT by doug from upland
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