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Could California’s massive Ivanpah solar power plant be forced to go dark?
Makret Watch ^ | Mar 16, 2016 | Cassandra Sweet

Posted on 03/18/2016 11:46:08 AM PDT by beaversmom

A federally backed, $2.2 billion solar project in the California desert isn’t producing the electricity it is contractually required to deliver to PG&E Corp., which says the solar plant may be forced to shut down if it doesn’t receive a break Thursday from state regulators.

The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, owned by BrightSource Energy Inc., NRG Energy Inc. NRG, -1.72% and Alphabet Inc.’s GOOG, -0.37% GOOGL, -0.54% Google, uses more than 170,000 mirrors mounted to the ground to reflect sunlight to 450-foot-high towers topped by boilers that heat up to create steam, which in turn is used to generate electricity.

But the unconventional solar-thermal project, financed with $1.5 billion in federal loans, has riled environmentalists by killing thousands of birds, many of which are burned to death — and has so far failed to produce the expected power.

PG&E PCG, +0.51% is asking the California Public Utilities Commission for permission to overlook the shortfall and give Ivanpah another year to sort out its problems, warning that allowing its power contracts to default could force the facility to shut down. The commission’s staff is recommending that it grant the extension Thursday.

Spokesmen for BrightSource, which developed the technology, and NRG, which operates the plant, declined to comment on its future. NRG has said it has taken more than a year to adjust equipment and learn how to best run it.

The Energy Department said last week it supports giving the plant, which started operating in early 2014, more time.

An expanded version of this report appears on WSJ.com.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: birdgenocide; greenfraud; greenscam; solarpowerplant
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To: hoosierham

Oh c’mon. How could the designers have foreseen that the sun would set?


21 posted on 03/18/2016 12:01:25 PM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Hey, you forgot the self-righteousness a project like this generates.

You can’t put a price on that!


22 posted on 03/18/2016 12:01:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: FatherofFive

Yea at $200.00 kw/hr....more then 6 times the cost to produce energy with coal or nat gas.


23 posted on 03/18/2016 12:04:24 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: bert

Yep! Exactly my point.

But the sun doesn’t shine all the time, and the wind doesn’t blow. You can’t take much baseline capacity off with either.


24 posted on 03/18/2016 12:04:37 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: MrB

That’s right. And it also made people feel good. How can one put a price limit on all that?!


25 posted on 03/18/2016 12:04:51 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: traderrob6

http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/abengoa-strikes-2bn-creditor-deal-to-ward-off-bankruptcy_100023659/

This is my old company. They were NOT stupid, and ran into some big trouble meeting the requirements of solar generation. The smart guys left long before the end, but a few former coworkers are still there.


26 posted on 03/18/2016 12:07:39 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum

as a further aside, back in I believe ‘96, I went on a fantastic hike of 12 days at Philmont Scout Ranch. We hiked far back into the severe and beautiful boon docks where there were established camps.

There were wind mills there...... non functioning wind mills. They had been replaced by solar cells that glommed on the wonderful New Mexico sun and charged the batteries that ran the water pumps.


27 posted on 03/18/2016 12:10:15 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project At California’s Ivanpah Plant

Cooked Bird

“cooked bird” Image Credit: BrightSource Energy

It’s not just Wind Turbines that kill wildlife, from the Wall Street Journal:

“A giant solar-power project officially opening this week in the California desert is the first of its kind, and may be among the last, in part because of growing evidence that the technology it uses is killing birds.”

“The $2.2 billion solar farm, which spans over five square miles of federal land southwest of Las Vegas, includes three towers as tall as 40-story buildings. Nearly 350,000 mirrors, each the size of a garage door, reflect sunlight onto boilers atop the towers, creating steam that drives power generators.”

“The owners of the project— NRG Energy Inc., NRG, Google Inc. GOOG and BrightSource Energy Inc., the company that developed the “tower power” solar technology—call the plant a major feat of engineering that can light up about 140,000 homes a year.”

“Ivanpah is among the biggest in a spate of power-plant-sized solar projects that have begun operating in the past two years, spurred in part by a hefty investment tax credit that expires at the end of 2016. Most of them are in California, where state law requires utilities to use renewable sources for a third of the electricity they sell by 2020.”

“Utility-scale solar plants have come under fire for their costs–Ivanpah costs about four times as much as a conventional natural gas-fired plant but will produce far less electricity—and also for the amount of land they require.

That makes for expensive power. Experts have estimated that electricity from giant solar projects will cost at least twice as much as electricity from conventional sources. But neither the utilities that have contracted to buy the power nor state regulators have disclosed what the price will be, only that it will be passed on to electricity customers.”

“The BrightSource system appears to be scorching birds that fly through the intense heat surrounding the towers, which can reach 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The company, which is based in Oakland, Calif., reported finding dozens of dead birds at the Ivanpah plant over the past several months, while workers were testing the plant before it started operating in December. Some of the dead birds appeared to have singed or burned feathers, according to federal biologists and documents filed with the state Energy Commission.”

“Regulators said they anticipated that some birds would be killed once the Ivanpah plant started operating, but that they didn’t expect so many to die during the plant’s construction and testing. The dead birds included a peregrine falcon, a grebe, two hawks, four nighthawks and a variety of warblers and sparrows. State and federal regulators are overseeing a two-year study of the facility’s effects on birds.”

“The agency also is investigating the deaths of birds, possibly from colliding with structures, found at two other, unrelated solar farms. One of those projects relies on solar panels and the other one uses mirrored troughs. Biologists think some birds may have mistaken the vast shimmering solar arrays at all three installations for a lake and become trapped on the ground after landing.”

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28 posted on 03/18/2016 12:16:50 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Steely Tom

Hope this entire project goes up in flames and is replaced by a petroleum type energy project.


29 posted on 03/18/2016 12:24:52 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: agere_contra

Lucrative only for the politicians who signed off on the project. Round them up and let them look for a real job.


30 posted on 03/18/2016 12:30:50 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: beaversmom
A federally backed, $2.2 billion solar project in California

That pretty much says it all. Solyndra on steroids.

31 posted on 03/18/2016 12:37:37 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: hoosierham

The engineer in me wonders why the designers of this thing could not see it’s inherent limitations before building it. In the private world you pull a trick like this and you are finished. Someone should be fired or worse.


32 posted on 03/18/2016 12:41:38 PM PDT by bytesmith
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To: 353FMG

Why aren’t any of these crony-capitalist greenie thieves arrested? Criminals.


33 posted on 03/18/2016 12:43:59 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: traderrob6

6 times!!!, more like a 100 times coal production


34 posted on 03/18/2016 12:44:20 PM PDT by B212
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Update:

California Regulators Give Ivanpah Solar Plant More Time
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3410943/posts?page=5


35 posted on 03/18/2016 1:07:34 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: jessduntno

>>but someone should walk the plank.<<

Have you ever heard of any American politician being held accountable?


36 posted on 03/18/2016 1:10:59 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: beaversmom

I pity the poor duck that thinks that it is a shimmering pond of water and tries to land.


37 posted on 03/18/2016 1:12:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: agere_contra

I wonder what the $/Mbtu would be without the natural gas warm up cycle?

I lived in Sicily for awhile and the politically connected men of honor there operate heavily subsidized photovoltaic farms that produce electricity day and night with diesel generator assist.


38 posted on 03/18/2016 1:17:58 PM PDT by nicepaco
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To: 353FMG

“Have you ever heard of any American politician being held accountable?”

Sorry if I wasn’t clear..I was referring to the genius engineers that signed off on this rather obvious problem-to-be. Stock options get spent quickly, I know, but a good civil suit might get them to at least attend night school at ITT Tech.


39 posted on 03/18/2016 1:34:09 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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To: beaversmom
"... solar power plant be forced to go dark?"

The solar power plant goes dark every single night.
Very reliably I'd say.

40 posted on 03/18/2016 1:44:24 PM PDT by StormEye
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