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Fukushima's ground zero: No place for man or robot
Reuters.com ^ | 11 March 2016 | Aaron Sheldrick and Minami Funakoshi

Posted on 03/12/2016 11:03:59 AM PST by Rockitz

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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Nuclear fallout. Read about it.

Least harm. Read about it.

What's going on right now, leaching plutonium radioactivity into the groundwater and then into the ocean, through the melted, collapsed containment tank, IS NUCLEAR FALLOUT.

So the question isn't "whether" fallout, it's HOW MUCH FOR HOW LONG. Right now we're looking at destroying the life in the Pacific Ocean over hundreds of years.

An exploding nuclear warhead can now be tuned to limit its fallout. All we need is the fireball to burn up the already melted pile of plutonium. Yes, there will be fallout, but brief and limited. Unlike the absolute disaster for centuries that is happening right now.

And really, what's the alternative? Let it keep leaking radioactivity for centuries without containment? Great solution. Yep.

41 posted on 03/12/2016 4:56:46 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Noob1999

As I recall there were some valves that were not set in a failsafe manner if there were no power, but certainly a lack of generators is related.


42 posted on 03/12/2016 6:30:18 PM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Talisker

Burn up Plutonium? What is it made of, oak?

You mean DISPERSE it, that is what would happen.


43 posted on 03/13/2016 5:07:49 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Rockitz

bkmk


44 posted on 03/13/2016 12:07:44 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: TXnMA

I’ll see your physical chemistry and raise you fluid dynamics. As a fluid dynamicist, I will note that the convective and diffusive processes take a lot of time and the naughty bits will undoubtedly deposit themselves non-uniformly over the entire Pacific Rim and most likely preferentially along coasts where people live and eat the sea life. There are any number of numerical calculations that indicate this. Checkmate!


45 posted on 03/13/2016 2:55:36 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: WKUHilltopper
IIRC, that's an American trait (North Anna VA, Diabolo Canyon, CA, for a couple). Japan does have one in Tsuruga (western Japan)

Fukishima's problem was a 30 ft. wall of water that damaged backup systems and wiped out power to the controls at the plant. No circulating coolant, and you have a problem.

Yes, there was physical damage to the plant from the quake prior to the tsunami, but the fault is out beneath the ocean, offshore.

46 posted on 03/13/2016 3:12:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Rockitz
They used robots at Chernobyl, with some success. So this sounds much worse already.
47 posted on 03/13/2016 7:27:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: RoadGumby
Burn up Plutonium? What is it made of, oak? You mean DISPERSE it, that is what would happen.

No, I mean burn it.

Like oak.

Plutonium ignites at 560 degrees centigrade.

A nuclear bomb fireball is ONE HUNDRED MILLION DEGREES CENTIGRADE.

Burn it.

Like oak.

48 posted on 03/13/2016 9:01:10 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Rockitz
"Undoubtedly" and "most likely preferentially" numerical calculations from fluid dynamics models as pencil-whipped accurate as those touted by the Gorebull Wahrumists...

Post copies of the papers.

49 posted on 03/13/2016 9:05:38 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah: Satan's current alias. "Obama": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Talisker

Burning does NOT change an atom. Burning is oxidation, it does not change the individual atoms.


50 posted on 03/14/2016 4:53:08 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: TXnMA

I see. Not only are you ignorant, but you’re lazy. Look ‘em up yourself, nimrod.


51 posted on 03/14/2016 6:52:44 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: RoadGumby
Burning does NOT change an atom. Burning is oxidation, it does not change the individual atoms.

Spare me your grade school thinking. The point I'm making to all you nervous Nellies is that the problem is the concentration of radioactive materials. Vast dispersion at the molecular level of the MOX fuel, as would happen through a nuclear fireball, ends the concentration problem. Burned, vaporized, electron-stripped uranium and plutonium would reoxidize while being widely separated atoms, which would then be absorbed by the environment. And yes, that would be safer and quicker than letting this hot MOX slag heap trickle into the Pacific for a few hundred years (or more). The environment can, and has, safely absorbed widely spread low radiation with negligible harm.

52 posted on 03/14/2016 11:59:58 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

And spare us all your anti-physics and anti-common sense thinking.

Chernobyl spread it around quite nicely thank you. And it was Very detectable over a very large area. In general, sure, “dilution is the solution to pollution”. BUT, even better is containing or limiting it rather than spreading it around.

By the way, I am fairly positive that Japan would not agree to being nuked again. Just saying.


53 posted on 03/14/2016 12:09:47 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Rockitz

Send Jimmy Carter over there........

Dr. Edna Casey: Mrs. Carter, your husband was exposed to massive doses of radiation. Now this has affected the entire cell structure of his body and greatly accelerated the growth process.

Rosalyn Carter: Well, what does that mean?

Dr. Edna Casey: It means, Mrs. Carter, your husband, President Carter, has become [ camera zooms in on Dr. Edna Casey ] The amazing colossal president.

Rosalyn Carter: Well how big is he?

Dr. Edna Casey: Well Mrs. Carter, it’s difficult to comprehend just how big he is but to give you some idea, we’ve asked comedian Rodney Dangerfield to come along today to help explain it to you. Rodney?

[ Rodney Dangerfield enters ]

Rodney Dangerfield: How do you do, how are you?

Ross Denton: Rodney, can you please tell us, how big is the president?

Rodney Dangerfield: Oh, he’s a big guy, I’ll tell you that, he’s a big guy. I tell you he’s so big, I saw him sitting in the George Washington bridge dangling his feet in the water! He’s a big guy!

Rosalyn Carter: Oh my God! Jimmy! Oh God!

Rodney Dangerfield: Oh, he’s big, I’ll tell you that, boy. He’s so big that when two girls make love to him at the same time, they never meet each other! He’s a big guy, I’ll tell you!

Rosalyn Carter: Oh no! Oh Jimmy! My Jimmy!

Rodney Dangerfield: I don’t want to upset you lady, he’s big, you know what I mean? Why he could have an affair with the Lincoln Tunnel! I mean, he’s really high! He’s big, I’ll tell you! He’s a big guy!

Rosalyn Carter: No! No! No!

Ross Denton: Rodney, thank you very much. You can go.

Rodney Dangerfield: It’s my pleasure. He’s way up there, lady! you know what I mean?


54 posted on 03/14/2016 12:15:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void
if it can help clean up a nuclear accident, think of what it can do for your laundry!

i have several items of laundry that have experienced a nuclear accident ... after last fall's chili cook-off as i recall

55 posted on 03/14/2016 12:18:05 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: Talisker
Okay, now you have plutonium dioxide (which you already had in MOX). The plutonium atom is still radioactive, and the oxide is still poisonous.

It is relatively insoluable in water, so the uptake from the digestive tract is virtually zero. Inhaled, however, the PuO2 is an alpha emitter, and will cause problems (lung cancer) over time.

Rocky Flats had problems with particulate PuO2 iirc.

56 posted on 03/14/2016 12:18:17 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vaquero

“US Navy? Carriers, Subs, and people who know how to play safely with nuclear power. “

Japan earthquake: US aircraft carrier sails into radioactive cloud

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8379969/Japan-earthquake-US-aircraft-carrier-sails-into-radioactive-cloud.html


57 posted on 03/14/2016 12:51:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Ideology of youth. 1968: Drugs, sex and rock-n-roll. 2016: Drugs, sex and free stuff.)
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To: Rebelbase

Wow. Even more reason to clean up the mess. (I do kind of remember that)


58 posted on 03/15/2016 4:17:40 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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