[wagglebee]

Weber said laws like the First Amendment Defense Act that provide protections for religious groups and individuals don't just provide bastions for liberty – they enhance liberty for all.

The Left DOES NOT WANT liberty, they want submission.

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[ealgeone]

No. The two cannot co-exist.

[Westbrook]

> The Left DOES NOT WANT liberty, they want submission.

Exactly.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The answer is no. Homosexual activism is about crushing any public condemnation of homosexuality. And that includes religious freedom.

[detective]

The answer is no. Homosexual activists want to put an end to religious freedom.

[i_robot73]

Free speech, let alone religious liberty, CANNOT exist in the same sphere as thought ‘crimes’ or FEeelings.

Is there NOT enough examples currently in the world to show this to be untrue? Only to the Socialists

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

No. It never could. That’s why those who laid down their arms and surrendered because they didn’t want to get their hands dirty or be labeled as “haters” or harm the gospel (like that would...) were foolish. They own this current climate. The gospel will eventually be outlawed. Before that it will be heavily punished with taxation and bitter hyperbole from the left, using the social pressure, intolerance and shame they used to complain about. Read their early statements and goals. It was always aimed at revenge. The problem is, we had truth on our side and they have nothing but fiction and degrading immorality.

I’m not saying God will not prevail. I am saying our side shares the blame due to indifference and/or inaction. Many were and still are chicken.

[afsnco]

Of course not. That’s why every “cave” just postpones the inevitable clash. The bottom line is we don’t need some unelected justices to tell us what the First Amendment says, nor the Second Amendment, for that matter. ANY diminishing of our fundamental rights by the government makes that government a criminal government, unworthy of obedience.

The only way homosexuality can be ascendant is for religious liberty to be crushed. Period. The two are completely incompatible. We know they’re all going to hell, along with all who support them, and they hate us for believing what God said about them.

[AppyPappy]

“The Left DOES NOT WANT liberty, they want submission. “

And they want control

[PeterPrinciple]

The Left DOES NOT WANT liberty, they want submission.

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Liberty, now there is a word not heard very often. Never hurts to review it’s meaning.

Say it LOUD and OFTEN..................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

Liberty, in philosophy, involves free will as contrasted with determinism.[1] In politics, liberty consists of the social and political freedoms enjoyed by all citizens.[2] In theology, liberty is freedom from the bondage of sin.[3] Generally, liberty seems to be distinct from freedom in that freedom concerns itself primarily, if not exclusively, with the ability to do as one wills and what one has the power to do; whereas liberty also takes into account the rights of all involved. As such, liberty can be thought of as freedom limited by rights, and therefore cannot be abused.

[Harpotoo]

We need a law to protect the 1st amendment? Now you know we are EF’ed unless Trump or Cruz!!!

[SandRat]

The Left DOES NOT WANT liberty, they want submission.

Sounds like islam, submission.

[Jack Hammer]

They co-existed in Sodom and Gomorrha.

But that didn’t end too well.

[48th SPS Crusader]

No.
Nor can Islam and the American Constitution.

[Servant of the Cross]

While I completely disagree with the inanity of the original cause and bumper sticker above, I do think that this is the best way to present religious freedom as an effective argument for why we need "a federal First Amendment Defense Act, or state government non-discrimination act ... pastor protection act ... etc."

There is no way that the liberal activists can claim they are peacefully co-existing ... just ask cake bakers, pizza shops, wedding photographers, pastors minding their own business in their own churches, quoting from the bible ......

[Pollster1]

Thugs who want to compel others to obey cannot coexist with any kind of freedom. When the thugs hate God and hate Christians so much, they cannot coexist with religious freedom in particular. If and when things get ugly for the bullies, I will have no sympathy.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

“Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution . . . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned . . . for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”

There is no penalty so severe that it would be inappropriate for those who use the law as a club to compel obedience in violation of an individual’s religious values. Those predators disgust me, and they are fully deserving of life without parole, or whatever penalty a court of law orders, once the rule of law is restored. If the death penalty is eventually imposed on the predators who file lawsuits trying to compel bakers to bake the cake, and on the administrators who impose penalties for holding and following religious beliefs, I’m okay with that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

+1

[Steve_Seattle]

The early returns are in, and the answer is "no." The far left has always hated Christianity, and has a long track record of oppressing Christians, up to the point of imprisonment and death. But that obvious fact has been papered-over - quite deliberately - by our modern media and educational establishments.

We hear all the time about the Nazis and the witch trials and the Inquisition, but rarely about the atrocities committed by explicitly left-wing governments. I have even encountered people on comment boards who deny that such things ever happened.