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Donald Trump: We're going to 'open up' libel laws
Politico ^ | 2/26/2016 | Hadas Gold

Posted on 02/27/2016 10:02:24 AM PST by dschapin

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To: Cicero
The news media have different laws from the rest of us. They can get away with blatant, deliberate lies and not be sued for libel

That is not accurate sir. They can indeed to be sued for libel. Trump is talking about the greater scrutiny of suits by public figures that is given. His proposal sounds quite tyrannical - keep the mouths of the plebes shut under threat of lawsuit by the wealthy elite and powerful politicians. It is one of the scariest things I have ever heard proposed openly by a candidate for office.

221 posted on 02/27/2016 9:01:06 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
His proposal sounds quite tyrannical

I heard Trump say that at the rally, but evidently he elaborated at some other time that I didn't hear.

Just what is his proposal?

222 posted on 02/27/2016 9:03:52 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Then he should write his own article to refute it.

And however misguided someone’s opinion may be, it is still their opinion and they have a right to express it. That is a fundamental freedom. No one should be sued over their opinion. You honestly don’t believe that should ever be the case, do you? That is a very tyrannical and downright frightening prospect you have proposed here.


223 posted on 02/27/2016 9:05:14 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Ahem, it is exactly what Scalia said should be done and it is what this country worked under until 1964.

Bring back what our Founders, Abraham Lincoln, and even FDR and Eisenhower said was right.


224 posted on 02/27/2016 9:06:07 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

“prove that the news organization knowingly published false information with malicious intent.”

There’s plenty of that going around that they don’t get sued for (the fake documents over Bush’s National Guard service comes to mind - continuing with the story even after evidence was presented indicating they were in fact fake)...likely because the politicians don’t want more attention brought to an issue even if the story itself was false.


225 posted on 02/27/2016 9:09:07 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
If you had listened to Trump today he did in fact refute the allegation. He said his brother and sister called him after they heard the LIE and said it was news to them.

Bearing false witness is a sin. And the NYTimes is apparently the source of the LIE that Trump inherited 200 million from his father. I do not believe ‘free speech’ should include telling blatant lies. Most especially when the truth sets us free.

226 posted on 02/27/2016 9:11:43 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I don’t believe that’s what Trump is intending - he wants his critics to be silenced under threat of retribution. We already have plenty of evidence to support this. He threatened to sue Ted Cruz for running an ad with video of him proclaiming Trump’s support of partial birth abortion - nothing defamatory about it at all - the clip was not edited to make him say anything he did not actually say. He called for the FCC to silence a critic. He also supports having the government take away people’s private property and give it to him simply because he wants it for himself to build something of his own and strongly supports the Kelo decision which cemented this practice. I certainly hope my fears eventually prove to be unfounded, but all of this and more establishes an extraordinarily troubling pattern.


227 posted on 02/27/2016 9:16:28 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ConservativeMind

Yes.

“malicious intent”

...is part of every news story now.


228 posted on 02/27/2016 9:17:53 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Just mythoughts

I have seen that news of his inheritance in numerous publications over a long period of time. It does appear that he actually split that with 4 siblings and did not inherit it all...so he inherited around $40 million and not the full $200 million, which was the estimated worth of his father’s company. Trump stated he just got $1 million which also was not accurate.

Trump actually sued someone for defamation who wrote a book that underestimated his net worth. He sued him claiming damages of $5 billion. He of course lost the suit.


229 posted on 02/27/2016 9:32:53 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ConservativeMind

I left out of my above post #227 regarding Trump’s lawsuit against someone who wrote a book that underestimated Trump’s net worth - he claimed damages of $5 billion in the suit (which of course he lost)...just more to go along with that troubling pattern...suing someone for damages because someone claimed you “only” had $250 million and that this inaccurate claimed had severely damaged his reputation to the tune of $5 billion.


230 posted on 02/27/2016 9:41:29 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Just mythoughts

And also what you linked to was an opinion piece...that was that author’s opinion. An opinion can be totally whacky and idiotic but they still have a right to express it without fear of legal retribution. Now, retribution by response opinion to their opinions, that’s fair game.


231 posted on 02/27/2016 9:43:43 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
I have seen that news of his inheritance in numerous publications over a long period of time. It does appear that he actually split that with 4 siblings and did not inherit it all...so he inherited around $40 million and not the full $200 million, which was the estimated worth of his father’s company. Trump stated he just got $1 million which also was not accurate. Trump actually sued someone for defamation who wrote a book that underestimated his net worth. He sued him claiming damages of $5 billion. He of course lost the suit.

Have you read the will? How about using that as basis of fact? I do not care, because I am not green with envy over how much money Trump did or did not inherit. I despise those that are filled with class envy.. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh... and then there is that parable of the 'rich' man... GOD will judge.

232 posted on 02/27/2016 9:45:14 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
And also what you linked to was an opinion piece...that was that author’s opinion. An opinion can be totally whacky and idiotic but they still have a right to express it without fear of legal retribution. Now, retribution by response opinion to their opinions, that’s fair game.

A lie is a lie is a lie.... opinion or not. IF one knowingly tells a lie, and hides under an 'opinion', when the truth is easily demonstrative I have no problem filing a libel suit.

233 posted on 02/27/2016 9:47:52 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Luircin
>>I’m all for something that lets us protect ourselves from the propaganda arm of the government.

>>Just not sure exactly WHAT at this time.

 

"Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them."

—Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom.

http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-02-02-0132-0004-0082

 


How you s'pose Der Trumpenflipper's newspeak edition/replacement of the Virginia Act is gonna read?

234 posted on 02/29/2016 5:20:07 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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