In Defense of Carrier

Contracting Business Magazine ^ | 2/18/2016 | Matt Michel

[FreedomPoster]

I’m sure Carrier is a huge advertiser in this publication. You don’t suppose that affects editorial content, do you?

/rhetorical question /s

[Pining_4_TX]

Agreed. As one who witnessed first hand how incompetent executives made stupid decisions, spend like mad when times are good, then turn around and lay off a lot of people when bad times hit, I have no sympathy for these executives.

I’ve seen how they feather their own nests, take care of each other, and award each other massive bonuses no matter how well or how poorly the company does. Executives who get bonuses of 100% of their already huge salaries while employers get 3% and no merit raises.

I’ve got story after story about these clowns, and it’s enough to make you want to tear your hair out. A pox on all of them.

[tumblindice]

I”m 45 minutes from Indy, and I have a Carrier AC unit.
I need a new furnace and AC. Carrier can rationalize its decision all day long, but I won’t buy another Carrier product.

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

You folks have never installed hvac. Most of the installation is labor and metal supplies....by your technician!!!! So it is American made.

The article is fair.

Make your own....stop itching.

[FreedomPoster]

So a shill for Carrier? Don’t care.

Most people aren’t installing new systems from scratch, they’re replacing worn-out existing systems. In that case, the equipment probably is more costly than the labor.

And I’ve probably specified bigger stuff in that space than you’ve ever been allowed to touch.

[gattaca]

ping for later

[stocksthatgoup]

Trump promises to lower taxes reduce regulations etc. Obviously we would all like to see Carrier stay in the USA.
Trump is looking to create a conducive environment. All the other politicians talk a big game but have not addressed these issues with any specificity.

[wbarmy]

Maybe you should look at your 401k and see who you are benefiting from.

Most people have no clue what their portfolio is doing.

[AntiScumbag]

What took you so long to show up to yammer about promoting and protecting inefficiency?

We know you love to protect a few jobs so that the rest of the country can pay more in the form of higher prices, right?

Nothing like hating the free market, right? Wouldn’t want to allow anyone to make anything where they want to make it, right?

Funny how you always claim that Smoot-Hawley had nothing to do with worsening the Great Depression. Nobody else with an active synapse or two claims that. Not even Bernie is that rock-stupid.

Provide the evidence or stop with your bogus claim. Since your delusional idea underlies almost everything you say, you need to get ready to retract it all.

[CincyRichieRich]

Is Trump smart enough to know EPA hurt Carrier as it does other companies? Yes.

Did he say that? No. why not?

Is Trump smart enough to know many companies are hurt by the U.S.’s huge corporate tax rate? Yes.

Did he say that? No. Why not?

I still will vote for him if he is the R nominee but sometimes he does puss me off as he has high ‘Hypocrisy numbers’

[exit82]

Carrier wants to make their units with a far lower labor cost, and sell them for the existing prices back here in the US.

It is always about the Benjamins.

Carrier is making plenty pf money now, with US labor, selling on the US/Canadian market.

Its parent company, United Technologies is making lots of money.

We can’t have a workforce when all the work moves to other countries. The ripple effects in the economy are enormous.

The only way we have a say is to punish Carrier in the marketplace. Maybe they will reconsider.

Besides, who wants an A/C unit made by people who know they are being outsourced?

[central_va]

We know you love to protect a few jobs so that the rest of the country can pay more in the form of higher prices, right?

Really. I must have missed the part where Carrier announced a price reduction. LOL.

Tomorrow Trump trounces. Get ready. Stay off of tall buildings and have someone watch you 24/7.

[central_va]

Nothing like hating the free market, right? Wouldn’t want to allow anyone to make anything where they want to make it, right?

I love the free market inside and between the 50 United States just like our founders intended.

[Jim Noble]

The ripple effects in the economy are enormous.

But the ripple effects in our communities and on the children of these workers are much, much worse.

Some guy upthread said I should look at my 401(k) and be grateful the wise business leaders are making me so much money.

With seven white kids from my kid's HS graduating class 2 years ago dead of heroin overdoses already, and despair spreading like squid ink through formerly prosperous small towns all over America, I'm not grateful - I'm investing in brass and lead, and hoping we can make it through what's coming.

And those business leaders won't be pulling us out - they'll be on their ranches in New Zealand.

[central_va]

The Smoot-Hawley myth is not hard to debunk because all it takes is for someone to look at the actually data from the 1930's and draw their own logical conclusions from that data. Trade, both import and export, was a tiny part of the overall economy during the depressed 30's. Smoot-Hawley's impact after subtracting trade's $3Billion from the entire GDP($50Billion) economy could not have worsened the economy much at all. Due to it's small overall portion of GDP, trade restrictions could NOT have the "devastating" effect the "learned" economics that IMO have an agenda profess. Ask yourself if your own pay were to be cut by 4% if that would cause you to go broke and loose everything? Would it cause you and your family a personal devastating Great Depression lasting a decade? I think not.

Notice that net trade hardly changed after Smoot-Hawley passage. Look at the chart below - LOOK AT IT < expletive deleted > IT. Open your huge brain up to new information. Don't be scared. We've been sold a bill of goods deal so with it, correct your misunderstanding and move on.

[central_va]

I need a new furnace and AC. Carrier can rationalize its decision all day long, but I won’t buy another Carrier product.

Buy American and vote Trump.

[Chainmail]

"We know you love to protect a few jobs so that the rest of the country can pay more in the form of higher prices, right?"

Nice. "protect a few jobs" - like yours, maybe? Companies have the duty to stay competitive but they also have the duty to be loyal to their own country. Good management supports a productive and efficient workforce - so if some workers aren't getting the job done well, there are processes in place to either improve that performance or get that individual out and replace him/her with someone willing to do the job well.

Tossing out 1,400 American workers in favor of Mexican workers is akin to treason. Not only are your own people thrown out on the street in many cases to live on taxpayer money, we lose the skills and industrial base we will need in national emergencies.

What's your plan - to beg Mexico to ramp up production to help us out if we have to face another war?(I know, heating and air conditioning units aren't war-critical but the production facilities and workforce can be adapted during a war emergency to produce other things - like Rock-Ola and IBM made M-1 Carbines during that last big one.

Meanwhile, our government is in effect importing millions of Mexicans to do the installation work on the cheap. How long before all of our blue collar folks are completely unemployed?

The Bottom Line doesn't Trump patriotism.

[Chainmail]

Always a good sign when an “industry trade magazine” posts false and political articles then don’t accept any comments about that article!

Nazi Germany, anyone?

[sauropod]

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[AntiScumbag]

I must have missed the part where Carrier announced a price reduction.

Who said anything about reducing prices? The idea is that they won't have to increase prices as soon as otherwise because they're trying to drive their costs down. Even you can understand that.

I love the free market inside and between the 50 United States just like our founders intended.

Sure you do. As if you have any idea what freedom means. When there were 13 states you would have been there advocating tariffs against any and all additional states. Until they were admitted to the union, of course. Then they're cool, whereas the day before they weren't. If we'd been imperialists and taken Mexico (we certainly could have) I guess all would now be well with you.

The entire problem must be that nobody understands your cute little idea of how free trade should work.

loose [sic] everything

The word you're looking for is "lose."

1929 was the last year prior to enactment of Smoot-Hawley. From 1929 to 1932, GDP declined from 105 billion to 60 billion. -43%.

US exports declined from 5.9 billion to 2 billion. -66%.

The economy in general was very bad, but exports totally collapsed. Thanks, Smoot-Hawley. Perfect. Crush world trade. A real bang-up job of aggravating a recession unnecessarily.

See: Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTableHTML.cfm?reqID=9

Funny that you post a chart generated by Paul Krugman to "support" your protectionist baloney without admitting that your source is a leftist site quoting a leftist chart. Good job. See:

http://www.realitybase.org/journal/2010/9/29/one-chart-refutes-three-myths-about-us-foreign-trade.html

I'm sure that Pat Buchanan loves your idiotic argument. Too bad for you (and Pat) that your best protectionist tariff days were somewhere between 100 and 200 years ago.

You've debunked your own mind. Next, learn how to spell.