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Detectives question lack of autopsy in Scalia death
New York Post ^ | 02/15/16 | Jamie Schram and Bob Fredericks

Posted on 02/16/2016 5:53:44 AM PST by Enlightened1

Veteran homicide investigators in New York and Washington, DC, on Monday questioned the way local and federal authorities in Texas handled the death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

"It's not unreasonable to ask for an autopsy in this case, particularly knowing who he is," retired Brooklyn homicide Detective Patricia Tufo told The Post.

"He's not at home. There are no witnesses to his death, and there was no reported explanation for why a pillow is over his head," Tufo said. "So I think under the circumstances it's not unreasonable to request an autopsy. Despite the fact that he has pre-existing ailments and the fact that he's almost 80 years old, you want to be sure that it's not something other than natural causes."

Bill Ritchie, a retired deputy chief and former head of criminal investigations for the DC police, said he was dumbstruck when he learned that no autopsy would be performed.

"I took a look at the report and I almost fell out of my chair," Ritchie told The Post from his home in Maryland.

"I used to be an instructor in the homicide school. Every death investigation you are handling, you consider it a homicide until the investigation proves otherwise," Ritchie said.

"How do you know that person wasn't smothered? How do you know it's not a homicide until you conduct an investigation? You have to do your job. Once you go through that process, you can conclude that this is a naturally occurring death."

Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara said she declared Scalia dead via telephone based on what cops and marshals at the scene told her -- that there were no signs of foul play.

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To: MacMattico

Exactly and excellent post!


141 posted on 02/16/2016 11:04:27 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: apoliticalone

Right... I found that very odd.


142 posted on 02/16/2016 11:05:27 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Reported:

The body was found in the morning after Scalia did not show up for breakfast. http://www.ksat.com/news/supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-79-dies

Presidio County Judge Guevara said she was shopping in the neighboring town of Alpine on Saturday afternoon when Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominguez called her on her mobile phone after lunch. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331

Guevara officially pronounced him dead at 1:52 p.m. on Saturday. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331

Guevara said she planned to drive to the ranch - about 30 minutes south of Marfa - but returned when a Marshal told her by phone: "It's not necessary for you to come, judge. If you're asking for an autopsy, that's what we need to clarify." http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331

It's aprx 64 miles from Alpine to Cibolo Creek Ranch, all but the last aprx 4.5 miles of which is via US highway.


The body arrived at El Paso at 2:30 AM. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/body-of-supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-arrives-in-el-paso-awaits-flight-to-dc/ar-BBpufxo

After arriving at 3:30 a.m. on Sunday, the Sunset Funeral Home embalmed Scalia's remains, according to Chris Lujuan, a funeral home manager. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331

The trip to El Paso took three hours http://woodtv.com/2016/02/14/scalias-body-at-funeral-home-after-3-hour-procession/

Which indicates a departure time of either 11:30 PM or 12:30 AM


Comments and Questions:

Let's say breakfast was at 8:30 AM. By perhaps 10:00 people went to find him (I have not seen any report listing the time of discovery).

There were at least 10-12 hours between discovery and transport.

During those hours the County Judge did not see the body and, without an autopsy to determine the cause of death of the found body, literally phones it in that the cause of death is "natural".

How did the judge determine whether or not an autopsy was necessary to determine or confirm the nature and cause of death? The judge did not see the body, how could she make such a determination? Apparently she relied on statements from LEO who arrived on scene after the death. Did LEO determine the cause of death?

The justice's personal doctor called her at 8 p.m. Saturday night. http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/02/14/official-scalia-died-heart-attack/80376442/ Guevara officially pronounced him dead at 1:52 p.m. on Saturday. [] Hours earlier, the county judge told WFAA that myocardial infarction - or a heart attack - would likely be the cause of death listed. Guevara later said she would confer with the Justice's personal physician on what specifically to show as the cause of death. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas-news/scalia-to-have-autopsy-in-texas-according-to-state-law/42898331

How could the Judge without seeing the body, without an autopsy to determine the cause of the unobserved death, without even speaking with the decedent's personal physician, declare the cause of death "natural"?

Allowing 2 hours to travel from Alpine to the Ranch is generous. The Judge easily had 8-10 hours to visit the Ranch but did not. Why?

Why did a Marshall tell the Judge not to come?


Were procedures properly followed?

 


For convience of reference and discussion below are portions of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure. (source: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.49.htm )


CHAPTER 49. INQUESTS UPON DEAD BODIES


Art. 49.01. DEFINITIONS. In this article:

(1) "Autopsy" means a post mortem examination of the body of a person, including X-rays and an examination of the internal organs and structures after dissection, to determine the cause of death or the nature of any pathological changes that may have contributed to the death.

(2) "Inquest" means an investigation into the cause and circumstances of the death of a person, and a determination, made with or without a formal court hearing, as to whether the death was caused by an unlawful act or omission.


Art. 49.03. POWERS AND DUTIES. The powers granted and duties imposed on a justice of the peace under this article are independent of the powers and duties of a law enforcement agency investigating a death.


Art. 49.04. DEATHS REQUIRING AN INQUEST.

(a) A justice of the peace shall conduct an inquest into the death of a person who dies in the county served by the justice if:

(1) the person dies in prison under circumstances other than those described by Section 501.055(b), Government Code, or in jail;

(2) the person dies an unnatural death from a cause other than a legal execution;

(3) the body or a body part of a person is found, the cause or circumstances of death are unknown, and:

(A) the person is identified; or

(B) the person is unidentified;

(4) the circumstances of the death indicate that the death may have been caused by unlawful means;

(5) the person commits suicide or the circumstances of the death indicate that the death may have been caused by suicide;

(6) the person dies without having been attended by a physician;

(7) the person dies while attended by a physician who is unable to certify the cause of death and who requests the justice of the peace to conduct an inquest; or

(8) the person is a child younger than six years of age and an inquest is required by Chapter 264, Family Code.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c) of this section, a physician who attends the death of a person and who is unable to certify the cause of death shall report the death to the justice of the peace of the precinct where the death occurred and request that the justice conduct an inquest.


Art. 49.05. TIME AND PLACE OF INQUEST; REMOVAL OF PROPERTY AND BODY FROM PLACE OF DEATH.

(a) A justice of the peace shall conduct an inquest immediately or as soon as practicable after the justice receives notification of the death.

(b) A justice of the peace may conduct an inquest:

(1) at the place where the death occurred;

(2) where the body was found; or

(3) at any other place determined to be reasonable by the justice.

(c) A justice of the peace may direct the removal of a body from the scene of death or move any part of the physical surroundings of a body only after a law enforcement agency is notified of the death and a peace officer has conducted an investigation or, if a law enforcement agency has not begun an investigation, a reasonable time has elapsed from the time the law enforcement agency was notified.

(d) A law enforcement agency that is notified of a death requiring an inquest under Article 49.04 of this code shall begin its investigation immediately or as soon as practicable after the law enforcement agency receives notification of the death.

(e) Except in emergency circumstances, a peace officer or other person conducting a death investigation for a law enforcement agency may not move the body or any part of the physical surroundings of the place of death without authorization from a justice of the peace.

(f) A person not authorized by law to move the body of a decedent or any part of the physical surroundings of the body commits an offense if the person tampers with a body that is subject to an inquest under Article 49.04 of this code or any part of the physical surroundings of the body. An offense under this section is punishable by a fine in an amount not to exceed $500.


Art. 49.07. NOTIFICATION OF INVESTIGATING OFFICIAL.

(a) A physician or other person who has possession of a body or body part of a person whose death requires an inquest under Article 49.04 of this code shall immediately notify the justice of the peace who serves the precinct in which the body or body part was found.

(b) A peace officer who has been notified of the death of a person whose death requires an inquest under Article 49.04 of this code shall immediately notify the justice of the peace who serves the precinct in which the body or body part was found.

(c)

(1) If the justice of the peace who serves the precinct in which the body or body part was found is not available to conduct an inquest, a person required to give notice under this article shall notify the nearest available justice of the peace serving the county in which the body or body part was found, and that justice of the peace shall conduct the inquest.

(2) If no justice of the peace serving the county in which the body or body part was found is available to conduct an inquest, a person required to give notice under this article shall notify the county judge, and the county judge shall initiate the inquest. The county judge may exercise any power and perform any duty otherwise granted to or imposed under this subchapter on the justice of the peace serving the county in which the body or body part was found, except that not later than the fifth day after the day on which the inquest is initiated, the county judge shall transfer all information obtained by the judge to the justice of the peace in whose precinct the body or body part was found for final disposition of the matter.


Art. 49.08. INFORMATION LEADING TO AN INQUEST. A justice of the peace conducting an inquest may act on information the justice receives from any credible person or on facts within his knowledge.


Art. 49.10. AUTOPSIES AND TESTS.

(a) At his discretion, a justice of the peace may obtain the opinion of a county health officer or a physician concerning the necessity of obtaining an autopsy in order to determine or confirm the nature and cause of a death.

(b) The commissioners court of the county shall pay a reasonable fee for a consultation obtained by a justice of the peace under Subsection (a) of this article.

(c) Except as required by Section 264.514, Family Code, for each body that is the subject of an inquest by a justice of the peace, the justice, in the justice's discretion, shall:

(1) direct a physician to perform an autopsy; or

(2) certify that no autopsy is necessary.

(e) A justice of the peace shall order an autopsy performed on a body if:
(1) the justice determines that an autopsy is necessary to determine or confirm the nature and cause of death;

(2) the deceased was a child younger than six years of age and the death is determined under Section 264.514, Family Code, to be unexpected or the result of abuse or neglect; or

(3) directed to do so by the district attorney, criminal district attorney, or, if there is no district or criminal district attorney, the county attorney.

(f) A justice of the peace shall request a physician to perform the autopsy.

(i) If a justice of the peace determines that a complete autopsy is unnecessary to confirm or determine the cause of death, the justice may order a physician to take or remove from a body a sample of body fluids, tissues, or organs in order to determine the nature and cause of death. Except as provided by Subsection (j) of this article, a justice may not order any person other than a physician to take samples from the body of a deceased person.

(j) A justice of the peace may order a physician, qualified technician, paramedic, chemist, registered professional nurse, or licensed vocational nurse to take a specimen of blood from the body of a person who died as the result of a motor vehicle accident if the justice determines that circumstances indicate that the person may have been driving while intoxicated.

(k) A justice of the peace may order an investigative or laboratory test to determine the identity of a deceased person. After proper removal of a sample from a body, a justice may order any person specially trained in identification work to complete any tests necessary to determine the identity of the deceased person.

(n) On discovering the body or body part of a deceased person in the circumstances described by Article 49.04(a)(3)(B), the justice of the peace may request the aid of a forensic anthropologist in the examination of the body or body part. The forensic anthropologist must hold a doctoral degree in anthropology with an emphasis in physical anthropology. The forensic anthropologist shall attempt to establish whether the body or body part is of a human or animal, whether evidence of childbirth, injury, or disease exists, and the sex, race, age, stature, and physical anomalies of the body or body part. The forensic anthropologist may also attempt to establish the cause, manner, and time of death.


Art. 49.11. CHEMICAL ANALYSIS.

(a) A justice of the peace may obtain a chemical analysis of a sample taken from a body in order to determine whether death was caused, in whole or in part, by the ingestion, injection, or introduction into the body of a poison or other chemical substance. A justice may obtain a chemical analysis under this article from a chemist, toxicologist, pathologist, or other medical expert.

(b) A justice of the peace shall obtain a chemical analysis under Subsection (a) of this article if requested to do so by the physician who performed an autopsy on the body.

(c) The commissioners court shall pay a reasonable fee to a person who conducts a chemical analysis at the request of a justice of the peace.


Art. 49.15. INQUEST RECORD.

(a) A justice of the peace or other person authorized under this subchapter to conduct an inquest shall make an inquest record for each inquest he conducts. The inquest record must include a report of the events, proceedings, findings, and conclusions of the inquest. The record must also include any autopsy prepared in the case and all other papers of the case. All papers of the inquest record must be marked with the case number and be clearly indexed and be maintained in the office of the justice of the peace and be made available to the appropriate officials upon request.

(b) As part of the inquest record, the justice of the peace shall make and keep complete and permanent records of all inquest hearings. The inquest hearing records must include:

(1) the name of the deceased person or, if the person is unidentified, a description of the body;

(2) the time, date, and place where the body was found;

(3) the time, date, and place where the inquest was held;

(4) the name of every witness who testified at the inquest;

(5) the name of every person who provided to the justice information pertinent to the inquest;

(6) the amount of bail set for each witness and person charged in the death;

(7) a transcript of the testimony given by each witness at the inquest hearing;

(8) the autopsy report, if an autopsy was performed; and

(9) the name of every person arrested as a suspect in the death who appeared at the inquest and the details of that person's arrest.

(d) The justice of the peace shall certify a copy of the inquest summary report and deliver the certified copy in a sealed envelope to the clerk of the district court. The clerk of the district court shall retain the summary report subject to an order by the district court.


Art. 49.16. ORDERS AND DEATH CERTIFICATES. The justice of the peace or other person who conducts an inquest under this subchapter shall sign the death certificate and all orders made as a necessary part of the inquest.


Art. 49.17. EVIDENCE. A justice of the peace shall preserve all tangible evidence that the justice accumulates in the course of an inquest that tends to show the real cause of death or identify the person who caused the death. The justice shall:

(1) deposit the evidence with the appropriate law enforcement agency to be stored in the agency's property room for safekeeping; or

(2) deliver the evidence to the district clerk for safekeeping subject to the order of the court.


Below are forms used by Texas (circa 2011, forms may have been modified since then)


Texas Report of Death

 


Texas Certificate Of Death (2 pages)


143 posted on 02/16/2016 11:07:33 AM PST by Ray76 (Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
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To: Another Post-American

The pillow thing is kind of silly. If he was smothered to death in his sleep, do you really think the murderer would have left the pillow on top of his head? It’s a non-issue that everyone keeps focusing on.


Well, if your tinfoil hat is made just so, you might think it could be a mafia style “warning” like when someone gets a fish on their doorstep to let them know their loved one “sleeps with the fishes.” Stifle yourself or else. I doubt that, of course, but Justice demands foul play be physically and thoroughly ruled out.


144 posted on 02/16/2016 11:13:33 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Olog-hai

With all due respect, conservatives do not call themselves “post-American” even in jest or sarcasm.


Do we wear pink on Wednesdays?


145 posted on 02/16/2016 11:16:39 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Absolutely. We look to the world like the USSR used to. Maybe I was always exceptionally naive about all of this, but although I used to believe fully in the sanctity of our system, my general feeling now is that as a citizen I’m just a small pawn in a game that I have only limited knowledge about.


I’m with you. I believed in us, and I thought we were better.


146 posted on 02/16/2016 11:18:09 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Enlightened1

Problem is all the members of the conservative have brushed it aside, not even mentioning the possibility nor acknowledging the strangeness of how things have been handled. One article noted how the first 2 justices of the peace in the chain of command were at a convention and couldn’t make. They weren’t told who the dead man was. As soon as they found out it was Scalia, they high tailed it to where Scalia was located. By then it was too late. It’s so suspicious, yet the conservative media just goes about things like it’s nothing. It’s almost too easy for tyranny to prevail these days.


147 posted on 02/16/2016 11:33:23 AM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Lil Flower

Thank you for your post. My father has hospice so I know how awesome you all are. And all your description is for an elderly or sick person dying at home. All of that is superseded too by the fact that this is one of the most important people in the country, dying in a strange location without anyone close to him around, and without his protective detail. All the moreso to proceed with a full investigation and autopsy.


148 posted on 02/16/2016 11:43:56 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: ilovesarah2012

If there are different kinds of conservatives, then it’s a wonder the monolithic left upbraids us for lack of diversity. Especially during this election year.

But again with all due respect, I would have believed that all conservatives at least were united in American-ness, so to speak.


149 posted on 02/16/2016 11:54:56 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Diogenesis

“He’s not at home. There are no witnesses to his death, and there was no reported explanation for why a pillow is over his head,” Tufo said.


150 posted on 02/16/2016 12:04:32 PM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Hattie

Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara said she declared Scalia dead via telephone based on what cops and marshals at the scene told her.

“How in the world can that Texas judge, not even seeing the body, say that this is a heart attack?” Ritchie wondered. “A US marshal can’t tell you. You need a medical professional. If this was Joe Blow, you say OK, 79 years of age, health problems, maybe natural causes. But this is a sitting justice of the Supreme Court!”

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151 posted on 02/16/2016 12:06:06 PM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: USCG SimTech

“I used to be an instructor in the homicide school. Every death investigation you are handling, you consider it a homicide until the investigation proves otherwise,” Ritchie said.

“How do you know that person wasn’t smothered? How do you know it’s not a homicide until you conduct an investigation? You have to do your job. Once you go through that process, you can conclude that this is a naturally occurring death.”


152 posted on 02/16/2016 12:07:32 PM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: House Atreides
“The pillow thing is kind of silly. If he was smothered to death in his sleep, do you really think the murderer would have left the pillow on top of his head?

Could be a subtle message to others....(next up a horse head.)

153 posted on 02/16/2016 12:20:06 PM PST by spokeshave (Happy Christmas and a New Year that Trumps all.)
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To: Enlightened1

While the pillow is at least suggestive, nothing can be known without an autopsy.

And I’d think of all the people calling for an autopsy, the family would be at the top of the list. The only thing I can think is maybe a threat was made to the family - as much of a conspiracy theory as that is.

I’d just really like to hear from the family why they don’t want to know exactly what caused his death - since they have total power to order the autopsy.


154 posted on 02/16/2016 12:33:41 PM PST by drierice
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To: Rusty0604

I understand. There is only one ME office in Mississippi in Jackson. I worked in the lower 6 counties. Do it’s a few hundred miles away, too. If you need an autopsy again you simply transport the body to the ME. There is noeasy a Justice of the Supreme Court should not get an autopsy which includes a tox screen. Regardless of age.


155 posted on 02/16/2016 12:39:30 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Yo-Yo
Wow what a DA.. She even thinks the county judge is the top county position. She needs to go back and read the Texas Constitution.

It is the CSO that is the top dog in the County, not the Judge. The Judge just sits over the Commissioners Court and County Court, that is it.

I hope the family has enough sense to order an autopsy.

156 posted on 02/16/2016 12:42:12 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: fireman15

It’s just shocking to me. I know different states have different laws. I’ve worked in Alabama as well and their laws are a little different but an RN or an MD pronounces death in both states. My name is unfortunately on many death certificates in Mississippi.


157 posted on 02/16/2016 12:43:27 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

Not just a standard tox screen either. As Bethesda Naval Medical Center is staffed up to deal with Presidents, they are also schooled in more exotic elements not likely to be found in the standard tox screen. Remember JFK’s body ended up there.

Ok...maybe not a good example for some.


158 posted on 02/16/2016 12:45:57 PM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Lil Flower

I know. I guess after talking to his Doctor and family it was decided no autopsy. We don’t know why, maybe he had problems they want to keep private. Of course if there is some doubt at the time, the family’s wishes can be overridden.

I drove through Mississippi a few years ago and the o lying sizeable town I went through was Jackson. It’s very pretty there though.


159 posted on 02/16/2016 12:46:05 PM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: Yaelle

With a hospice pt the cause of death is the diagnosis of whatever they were on hospice for example, COPD, cancer, etc. In 9 years I’ve only seen one autopsy on a hospice pt, and it was because it appeared the pt committed suicide via overdose, and that was in fact the case. So even though they were on hospice with a terminal illness, the fact that they didn’t appear to die from that was enough to trigger an autopsy.


160 posted on 02/16/2016 12:50:38 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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