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To: bray
It seems to me that the question of Cruz' eligibility comes down to whether citizenship obtained through foreign birth makes one a natural born citizen or must one be born on United States soil? There is argument going both ways. The argument in favor of Cruz says that his birth in conformity with the statute to an American mother makes him an American citizen and he cites the 1790 statute, the practice in America over time, the candidacies of Goldwater, Romney, McCain and even Obama. Arguments to the contrary can be found in dicta in at least two Supreme Court cases.

A very good argument can be made to the effect that the document that you seek, a consulate certificate, does not create either the citizenship or the natural born citizenship but merely documents that citizenship and natural born status. If so, and no certificate was issued to a child who was otherwise qualified, that child is nevertheless a natural born citizen by right and can obtain the certificate and any time.

Finally, the idea that Cruz can go into court for a declaratory judgment is simply wrong. The courts will not issue a declaratory judgment in a political situation.


70 posted on 02/12/2016 8:34:26 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Cruz is a ‘natural born’ Canadian. He will never be a ‘natural born’ US citizen... and Cruz knows this, as any Harvard Law Schooled grad knows... Lawyers live to change the law... But lawyers nor judges can give or take ‘birthrights’.


79 posted on 02/12/2016 8:44:56 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: nathanbedford
-- Arguments to the contrary can be found in dicta in at least two Supreme Court cases. --

Not sure which cases you are referring to, but the remarks in born-abroad citizenship cases aren't dicta. The remarks reflect an essential premise for grounding the decision.

By way of example, a case might be decided on sufficiency of a jury instruction. Remarks in the case indicate there was a trial. Are those remarks dicta? I mean, without a trial, there would not be a jury instruction, and there would not be an argument about the sufficiency of the jury instruction. It is essential for the premise to exist, which makes the remarks "not dicta," as dicta refers to material that is not essential or necessary to decide the case.

Same principle applies in born-abroad citizenship cases. A necessary premise is that the person be naturalized in the first place.

86 posted on 02/12/2016 9:04:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: nathanbedford

Four Supreme Court Cases Define Natural Born Citizen, Ted and Marco do not make the cut.

Educate yourself.

100 posted on 02/12/2016 9:45:33 AM PST by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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