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To: WENDLE
I have taken a good deal of flack at the time for turning against the Iraq war and confessing error in supporting that fiasco so I share your anger at the idea of America involving itself in another quagmire or even worse courting nuclear war with Russia over some Muslim shit hole.

But the situation is not that simple and the solution is not that simple. The problem is not just Isis or primitive Muslim barbarians beheading people at whim or even blowing up people in Paris. The problem is there is another potential enemy, equipped with nuclear weapons ranging from Russia and the Black Sea all the way through Iran, Iraq, Syria to the Mediterranean and God knows where else. I posted this reply in September 2015:

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Consider the implications:

Assad is supported by Teheran

Tehran supported by Moscow

Assad is now openly and militarily supported by Moscow

We have a Moscow/Teheran/Damascus axis

The participation of Russian warplanes in active combat suggests that the Russians are in Syria to stay. They certainly will have an airbase from which they can strike Israel and change the balance of power in the region. Expect them to become active in bombing Isis in Iraq as well, thus extending the Iran's hold over Iraqi the more.

The Russians are already being accommodated in a Mediterranean port by the Syrians and the airpower only compliments the Naval element, protects it, and augments it.

The presence of Russian warplanes in the area makes it much less likely that a new Republican president will strike militarily against Iran's nuclear facilities. Likewise, the Israelis have a new dimension on their flank should they choose to strike.

The entire balance of power will now shift toward the new Moscow/Tehran/Damascus axis which will be armed with nuclear capacity in Damascus, or potentially so, with Russian warplanes and very soon on the eastern Teheran edge with the same.

It may be that the Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama policy has brought us to this place but we also ought not to forget that the beginning of the chain of consequences began with our invasion of Iraq.


15 posted on 02/11/2016 7:58:24 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Yes, it all began with Iraq, and now that country is ruined.


18 posted on 02/11/2016 9:32:41 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: nathanbedford

Russia has waded deep into the political swamp. The fundamental truth is that the Sykes-Picot Treaty continues to unravel. Religious,political and tribal differences going back to pre WWI are re asserting themselves and Russia is stuck in the middle of this mess. Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morrocco are worth working with. The rest not.


22 posted on 02/12/2016 2:43:12 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: nathanbedford

According to this so called treaty looks like Russia will NOT be bombing ISIS - what the treaty does (the cease-fire bit is just for looks) is divide Syria into sectors of control - Russia has the west and the US has the east including Raqqa the ISIS capital; so 0bama’s palls will go on breathing and plotting.


23 posted on 02/12/2016 3:35:21 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: nathanbedford

That is such a wonderful analyses of the Axis you nominate so well. I do not mean, in any way, to say you are not correct. I actually adopt that entire analyses and in particular the egregious unprovoked attack on a sovereign country in absolute and undeniable violation of international law yielding the destabilization of a huge region all the way down into Africa. What was done was done. We cannot dwell on the past.
For shock value, I will tell you that I don’t give a crap about what they do in the middle east. I want them stopped from Trojan horse entry into my beloved country. I want to rediscover and repair our rusting Nuclear arsenal and delivery systems. I want only legal immigration and the removal of illegal aliens either through their inability to make a living here or their actual transportation out. I assure you that CAN be done— It was done in 1952.
Then, I realize that sovereign nations will do thing we do. I assume that not only North Korea will emerge with a nuclear capability, I assume Iran will too , like the Chinese, the Russians, the French, The English, The Pakistanis. The Indians etc etc. I don’t care what they do beyond one small caveat.
Russians in the old Soviet Union did not want to die. The unaltered brain will run from death. They has 5000 war heads (mirvs) pointed at us for 20 years. It was not out of morality or altruism they did not pull the trigger. It was the absolute assurance that they would in fact be obliterated. That is our defense, not telling people what they can and cannot do when we ourselves do the same thingand are weak as cat feces.


31 posted on 02/12/2016 9:47:23 AM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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