Posted on 02/06/2016 12:35:32 PM PST by Ohioan
They are not “nominally conservative”, they are mainstream, movement conservatives. Trump, OTOH, is taking liberal stands on too many issues.he takes
If this was 50 years ago the definition might be right... it’s not true today.
Also, it’s how liberal tend to define us...
In fact they would probably throw their support behind the Democratic nominee.
If Rubio is nominated many on this webite will protest by staying home, or voting for a nonentity, thereby failing to act as a block to a corresponding Hilary vote, all the while stroking their self esteem...
The Dems are running pathetic candidates, who by all rights shoud be defeated but for the center-left mindset of the general electorate on social issues...they are in the enviable position of needing to only secure one of Virginia, Ohio, and Florida, and they win...if Clinton (or Biden, no less pathetic) ascend to the WH in this current atmosphere of malaise, it says something very bleak going forward about the country’s electorate...
Anybody know what any of it means?
There are times when you can actually pass on an election, but they are far and few between. This election is extremely important. That is why I am so happy the establishment candidates are not even in the running. I just hope it stays that way.
If either of the 2 Democratic candidates win, we can kiss this country goodbye forever. I guess we can see how that decision works out for them, because in all likelihood we will all share in the misery that will be forthcoming. I sure hope they wise up, but that wasn't the case in the previous 2 elections. I didn't have to betray my principles by voting for either McCain or Romney, because my principles dictate that I act responsibly and vote in the best interest of my country and my fellow countrymen. The conservative values were and still remain an important goal. I think they believe that if we allow the country to fall into hell it will enable us to then take charge and restore her. But that is rarely how reality works.
Well done. Thank you.
I have heard that statement many times. Honestly, not sure I could throw I with the other faction myself...but then again I was never fond of watering down the message in favor of the bigger tent.
I assume you mean the entire statement, at least that's how I will treat your first sentence. The second sentence I replaced the 2nd I with in as I finally deduced that was perhaps what you had intended to type.
So I assume by your remarks that you chose to reject that message that you have heard many times. How has that worked out for you? More importantly how has that worked out for the country at large? In fact how has that worked out for the world at large in your opinion?
If you think my statement was about throwing in to the other faction and watering down of the message, whatever that message you think that is, or that it was about creating a bigger tent then I apologize for not being more clear with my message. I must have done an ineffectual job. For neither was the idea I had intended to convey. Instead I meant to convey that sometimes you have to settle for less than you desire for the betterment of this country, her citizens and the world as a whole.
It is my opinion that Obama's 2 terms have wreaked havoc that would not have been wreaked had Obama been replaced by McCain, or Romney. I realize this is only my opinion, but I venture to guess that even you must conceded this opinion is probably an accurate one. Of course we will never know if that opinion is indeed valid. Because too many held opinions similar to yours, and either didn't vote or voted for a 3rd party candidate. Now I am not saying that is what you did, however, your statement leads me to be that was the case. What we do know for sure is that Obama has wreaked havoc upon this nation, her citizens, as well as, the world at large. I assume you at least agree with that statement. That even a percentage better still is a more desirable result.
While I had a much harder time casting my vote for McCain than Romney, they were still votes that were only done to counteract someone else's vote for Obama. It was all I could do, and was the best choice I had at that point in time.
If you think that this country can survive even more assaults at the hands of Hillary or God forgive, Sanders then I must admit I just cannot understand you reasoning.. Do you believe that it can't happen here? That this country can withstand attack after attack and still will rise out of the ashes once your ideal candidate gets elected?
Every time you allow the Democrats win means that your goal becomes that much harder to even have a chance of being obtained. Why? Because they have allowed hundreds of thousands in to water down any conservative majority that may or may not exist. That majority if it exists as I believe it still does, gets reduced even further when we fracture ourselves from within our own ranks.
So we can all continue to wage our little battles within our various factions, and when our candidate doesn't win we can pick up our marbles and go home. But if that is the case then we have no reason to get upset as the country and the world deteriorate around us.
Or we can start to realize that if we join forces we might actually start turning this country around. Even slow turns in the other direction are better than continual turns in the wrong direction. What it means though is we cannot rest on our laurels, we have to continue to work towards our goal.
To me that goal right now is to make sure neither of the Democratic candidates win this election.
While I might believe Cruz is the one with the most obvious conservative credentials, I also have concerns about his eligibility to be our President. I also have concerns about his ability to win a general election, though I have been impressed that he is now at least in double-digits.
That is why I support Trump. I believe he can win the general election, and I like a good portion of his message. I am under no delusion that he is a staunch conservative or that I will like everything he does or even proposes. But I believe he is sincere in his reasons for seeking the Republican Party nomination. To make America great again. If I felt he was in anyway insincere I would not be supporting him.
From what I have said I'm sure you know that I will vote for and support Ted Cruz should he become our nominee. I feel confident in saying I think the vast majority of conservative Trump supporters will also vote for and support Ted Cruz.
However, what I am hearing from Cruz supporters is quite frightening to be honest. For they sound like they will go elsewhere rather than support a Trump Presidential run.
If that turns out to be the case and Hillary or the Bern, becomes our next President it will be in thanks to those who continue rejecting this message and the many similar missives espousing this same theme. Just as it has been for the last 2 elections.
United we will win, divided we all lose. It's not a slogan, it's the reality.
Your ex cathedra declaration does not defeat my argument or point.
Trump supports an immigration plan that is virtually identical to touchback amnesty. He has opposed full defunding of Planned Parenthood. He is for increasing ethanol subsidies. He’s praised and supported (still supports) single payer. He continues to praise the misuse of eminent domain for the use of private interests.
These are just a few prominent issues on which he’s not conservative.
He’s given way more money to Democrats than to Republicans. He’s praised Obama. He supported TARP and the Obama stimulus bill. He’s changed his party registration six times.
Either he’s a “progressive” or he just has no core beliefs, except a belief in his own greatness. Or both.
No. I meant “egoist.” They are subjective in defining their values. That is not the same thing as talking about themselves—although their subjective litmus tests do tell others a great deal about the said egoists.
They’re not subjective. While conservatism is a broad coalition, there are certain broad principles that define it. if you take positions that are contrary to those principles — not here and there, but over a range of issues — you’re not a conservative. The term does have some meaning, after all.
It isn't complicated. Conservatism is now, and always has been about conserving--preserving what the individual conservative believes is important. The self-anointed types who seek to disparage either the Ted Cruz or Donald Trump perspective on what is essential, overreach in a manner that has come to prevent turning the tide against those who are destroying the heritage values that most of us seek to preserve.
"Political Correctness," has blinded many who would ordinarily be on our side, to the obvious.
I certainly am not suggesting that the positions any candidate takes, are not important. But those positions reflect priorities. What motivates those positions may be "conservatism," or something else. My point in the essay is to respond to the self-defeating nature of a fight between Trump & Cruz supporters.
We need ultimately to work together, and it is clear if you analyze what seems to drive the emotions of both men, is a desire to preserve our heritage. The discussion in my argument--that is the linked article--of Tariffs, will illustrate the point that you can have very real conservative arguments on both sides of critical issues. You have to look to motivations, when you characterize anyone. This is not to say, in any way, that we cannot respectfully disagree, within the Conservative movement.
Of course, the Left--which has always specialized in the dirty tricks--ends justify any means school--to try to promote internal squabbles among the rest of us.
Eternal vigilance is as important today--even more so--than in Jefferson's time.
Bump for peace between the Trump & Cruz camps.
Another bump for a call for peace between the Trump & Cruz camps.
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