[Lakeshark]

There are few identity politics voters that won't see through either of them. Certainly not enough to push them over the top this next election.

I agree, 40+ per cent of America is stupid enough to vote for either of them, but that would mean they would lose in at least 49 states.

They're both bad candidates. Really bad. Jeb bad (and yes, he would get 40+ per cent if he were the nominee). If they had a candidate with a pulse, it wouldn't be either of them.

[riverdawg]

“There are few identity politics voters that won’t see through either of them. Certainly not enough to push them over the top this next election.”

I agree with you about Bernie. He would have no chance in the general election against Cruz, Trump, or Rubio. But identity politics doesn’t help Sanders in the way it helped Obama and would help Hillary.