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To: Aria
How about if the standard is that one parent needs to be a citizen at the time of birth?

I don't see how that is setting up any terrible precedent.

If the wife of a soldier gives birth on a base overseas the day after the soldier dies on the battlefield, technically that child only has one citizen parent at the time it was born. Should it be a citizen?

Let's say a U.S. woman is raped and gives birth out of the country. Since the citizenship of the father is unknown, should the child not be a U.S. citizen?

I would agree that if Cruz's mother was not a citizen at the time of his birth he would not be a citizen but I don't think there is any credible evidence that points to that. Every accusation I have heard seems to be just desperate flinging of crap on the wall by Trump fanatics trying to come up with something.

36 posted on 02/03/2016 6:55:00 AM PST by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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To: nitzy

The founders specified a higher standard for POTUS than any other office: Natural Born Citizen. My niece and nephew were born in Holland and they are citizens but not Natural Born. They have a Dutch father and dual citizenship so therefore were not born as sole American citizens.

Natural Born is simple and Cruz stated it in 2012:

Cruz: “Two citizen parents and born on the soil.”

This is why Lawrence Tribe called Cruz a hyporcrite - because he’s conveniently changed his tune from constitutional originalist to a “living document” constitutionalist.

Whether or not Cruz is a hypocrite is beside the point - for me at least for this argument. The question is do we now require a Natural Born Citizen or merely a citizen to be POTUS? Are we a nation of laws or men?

Are we willing to face the consequences of lowering our standards for POTUS?


42 posted on 02/03/2016 7:09:58 AM PST by Aria (2016: The gravy train v Donald Trump)
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To: nitzy

I would agree that if Cruz’s mother was not a citizen at the time of his birth he would not be a citizen but I don’t think there is any credible evidence that points to that. Every accusation I have heard seems to be just desperate flinging of crap on the wall by Trump fanatics trying to come up with something.


Raphael’s citizenship has never been questioned. He has always been a “citizen”. However, due to the circumstances of his birth, Raphael is not a NBC, and therefore, not eligible to become President..(Rube is in the same unqualified category).


49 posted on 02/03/2016 7:27:29 AM PST by AFret.
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