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To: MamaTexan; GladesGuru
We can't assume guilt, it must be proven.

I think it can be, from the Quran itself.

Doing so is both hypocritical and dangerous, as it can create a legalistic weapon that can too easily be used for a purpose for which it was never intended.

Judaism suffers the same problem politically, Christianity not so much, for reasons I can discuss at length if you are interested.

I could see in extracting islam's adherents from the country while remaining true to the Constitution is by their nationality, not their religion.

There is such a thing as renouncing one's citizenship, which requires then not so much proof beyond a reasonable doubt as a finding. The combination of the Shahada and the death penalty of apostasy will do. Frankly, that one is easy and shares nothing pf a type with Judaism. Sadly, those guys who run our court system also wear those not so funny red hats. I'm not sanguine about how that would turn out.

BTW - as you can probably tell, this is one of those 'snowball' threads...

Ah, but after a time, the weather changes, the light appears (ahem!), and the snowman melts to its essences, a carrot, two sticks, and a few lumps of coal. Put them in the hat and go on. (I suspect you can tell, I hate this kind of mysticism by analogy that putridly infuses too many religions today... it is ignorance under the guise of wisdom).

Good Morning to you, MamaTexan, you're not done. It's why you were called. Yeah, you know who. :-)

132 posted on 01/31/2016 8:10:21 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yeah, you know who. :-)

(grins) I won't presume to correct you on that.

Before I start, I'd like to thank you for stepping into the conversation. I know we're familiar enough to each other you don't automatically assume I'm a muslim apologist of some kind. Sometimes I think people just react instead of thinking about things.

Anyway -
I think it can be, from the Quran itself.

True, but therin lies the crux of the matter - if we accept the obvious by acknowledging ours is a Christian nation, do we not violate that ideal by using the tenants of a different set of beliefs to judge others? Do we not, in fact violate the 'judge not, lest ye be judged' concept of Christianity?

I think in order to avoid such philosophical conundrums, the country would be better served by targeting nationality, not religion.

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There is such a thing as renouncing one's citizenship, which requires then not so much proof beyond a reasonable doubt as a finding.

True, but a law refusing to accept renunciation from certain countries wouldn't be out of line. If they want to renounce, force them to go home to their own countries to do it.

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Sadly, those guys who run our court system also wear those not so funny red hats. I'm not sanguine about how that would turn out.

Frankly, neither am I. The real truth of the matter is that it's all a moot point unless and until we get control of our borders...but that's a subject for another thread. :-)

133 posted on 01/31/2016 8:31:53 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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