Posted on 01/29/2016 9:11:08 AM PST by Jeff Head
WHY was a spying drone there in first place, hmmm ???
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Trophy footage of the ambush/assassination most likely.....
It bothers me that government law enforcement killed an American citizen, who was NOT a thug or terrorist.
They AMBUSHED ranchers! WTF?! Law enforcemnt is getting bottom of the barrel types who do not question corrupt authority.
Exactly. And these people were all in the middle of nowhere and bothering no one. There was absolutely no reason for this showdown. If they had been left alone eventually they all would have probably just drifted off back home.
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Correct, he had been shot when his hands were up, not because he reached for his abdomen.
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This event is an attempt by our government to win in the court of opinion what they cannot win in a proper court.
US government occupation of lands in the western states is completely unlawful. The treaty is clear; the arable lands were under private use, and that use was to be respected.
There are no western lands other than mountain ridges to which the US government has any defensible claim.
“the operation from start to finish was unnecessary. There was no reason those folks had to be confronted.”
We are in complete agreement. This entire operation resulted miraculously in only one death. It could have been much worse and just as in the case with WACO any arrests could have been made without this ridiculous scenario. I’ll only focus on one issue, the road block. Who was it that decided Lavoy would not run right into the middle of the roadblock with the potential to kill every officer using the stationary vehicles as “shelter”.
Looked to me just like a bowling alley, it would have stopped him but he sure could have taken a bunch out with him. I find that kind of thought process rather suspect. Had it been me driving, yea maybe I would have made the attempt to go around the road block but if you are a law officer are you going to bet your life on that.
Pretty stupid IMHO. Then there is the jerk that literally threw himself in front of the oncoming truck indicative of exactly what I am talking about. I’m guessing he couldn’t make up his mind in the heat of battle whether Lavoy was going to hit the ditch or actually not make it and hit the truck he was standing behind. Really really dumb on the part of LE, as was the entire operation. Who is the responsible party as if we will ever find that out.
Too bad they just couldn’t wait out the result, they just had to engage. Shows us just how much of a miracle it was that a massacre didn’t occur at Bundy Ranch.
One note of interest would be who IS NOT giving up their guns. They should take note that eventually they will retire. Then they join the sheep.
Meanwhile, mostly forgotten, the Hammond’s behind bars, where many of us believe they do not belong.
Another sad sad day in America.
Why not?
WHY was a spying drone there in first place, hmmm ???
Because it was a major law enforcement operation meant to capture the heads of the occupiers. The drone was probably tracking them from the time they left the federal facility. It kept filming during the confrontation.
Agreed 1000%
Rob, I believe Lavoy was not wanting to die...but he was passionate about his beliefs, as he should be, and he caome out of that car determined to try and either talk sense into the Leos, or (as I have heard) tell them he would only talk to the Sheriff.
But ina situation like this, where the personnel on the ground view you as armed and dangerous, and where your own actions of almost hitting the one officer who stepped out to try and stop you is going to be viewed (like it or not) by thos officers as an immediate beforehand threat to their life, the only recourse in such a situation, particularly when they believe you are armed and dangers (and as I have said, Lavoy was armed...but I do not believe he was dangerous...though the officers could not ascertain that from his immediate actions)...as I say, the only recourse is to get down pron on the ground with arms outstretched.
Had he done that...he would be alive.
It is tragic. Lavoy was a good man. He had eleven kids. He had numerous grandkids. I learned from a friend here in emmett who knows his family thaty he recently had been taking care of foster kids on his ranch in Arizona. He did not need to die. He did not deserve to die. bt he put himself in a positioon by making three decisions, that led to his death.
1) He drove away from the initial stop.
2) He tried to go around the roadblock almost hitting an officer.
3) He came out of the car and acted erratically, and appeared to reach for a gun.
In such circumstances, there was a very high probability that he would be shot.
I do not believe the Law enforcement personnel murdered Lavoy. I do not believe they had “blood in their eyes,”” or were looking forward to taking down and killing some “militia.”
If Lavoy had acted like the three in the first car, the one who got out earlier, and the three in his own car at the final scene...all of whom live...he would not have been killed, and probably not even injured.
it is a sad set of events, and tragic for Lavoy, his family, and friends.
The real culprits here are the people who decided to force this issue. There was no need for it. These people had harmed and threatened no one. Their presence at that remote refuge in Winter, when it is completely closed down, threatened no one. They had been allowed to attend numerous meetings, coming and going.
The wee lulled into this...and I believe falsely promised safe passage, in order for those in charge to end it as they desired...and without regard to the danger to either those people or their own personnel.
That’s okay if there is a critical, dangerous situation which has either already resulted in death and injury to American citizens, or threatens to do so at any time,. But that was not the case here.
So, IMHO, those managers are culpable in this death and should face criminal and hefty civil charges for it...and I believe they will, and most probably the latter.
AND that’s OK in your playbook ???
Jeff, Can you add in Victoia Sharp’s eye witness testimony
to the timeline. One thing that struck me was when she said Levoy said, “Just shoot me then”. That sounds like what someone would say after they had been shot and wounded.
Had ENOUGH Yet ?
Drones and regular “Traffic Stops”, please give me a break or get a life, hmmm!!!
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