Posted on 01/29/2016 9:11:08 AM PST by Jeff Head
Watching the entire video, it’s evident that Lavoy got himself killed just as he said he would if an arrest was attempted.
He’ll be a hero, that’s what he wanted.
I’m on the ranchers’ side but Lavoy blew it. I’d rather he was alive.
You want to say that rubber bullets don’t work? Or that medical personnel weren’t needed?
Agree or disagree with it, they were violating the law by occupying the park service facility. Based on the people who were in the convoy I'd say the authorities acted at this time because they saw it as a chance to bag most of the leadership of the occupiers in one swoop. It's sad that it turned out the way it did, but I don't find it at all surprising that the feds decided to finally act to end it all.
It is tragic...a good man is dead who should not be dead.
There have been a lot of police shootings where that has happened in the past. And unfortunately there will be more in the future.
Two observations:
(1) The whole incident needs to be investigated by a third party.
(2) It is clear that the initial claims about Finicum's death - that he was unarmed and kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air while federal agents fired 100+ rounds - were invented out of whole cloth.
Anyone who thinks he's doing the cause of liberty any favors by selling hysterical garbage is a clown.
The right kind of free inquiry is the kind you've done here.
I agree...it was unnecessary.
You have the right to defend yourself when fired upon by law enforcement.
Lavoy got out and acted erratically.
In ANY case such as this, the police will be telling you, and it is the only safe course, to get down immediately, lie flat and put your arms out to remove any chance of being viewed as a threat.
Sadly, for whatever reason, he did not do that.
Good job, Jeff.
However, let us not be distracted by what the left hand (magically-speaking) is showing us in the video and ignoring what we can’t see the right hand (magically-speaking) doing off-screen.
Autopsy will be interesting.
“they had been given safe passage to John Day”
Wait. Corner. Kill.
Several people told me a couple of weeks back that exactly what has happened here is exactly what the feds would do.
Jackboot killers. Shooting a man in the back. And those on here saying it’s ok and that law enforcement acted in good faith/correctly.
“There is zero doubt that the death of this father and husband was absolutely unnecessary”
True. Lavoy got himself killed unnecessarily.
The only thing to do is wait for more information.
One thing that was brought to my attention vie FRmail by Axeslinger, and I believe they are absolutely correct, is that the video show a time stamp indicating it as happening after midnight.
If I am not mistaken, didn’t this occur in the later afternoon?
Someone needs to ask that question of the FBI pretty quick.
You’re assuming the video wasn’t digitally altered to show him lowering his raised hands.
But of course, there would be no reason for anyone to do that.
Without better video evidence, which I doubt we will get, I agree with your overall assessment here.
Sorry, but there was no reason to have a confrontation with that group going to see a sheriff.
It was not necessary for the government to attack the Waco compound.
Really? I'd be interested in hearing of anyone getting off on that kind of defense.
It could be the camera time stamp was on Zulu time, which is absolute across time zones - would be 10 hours difference for Pacific time.
[[Lavoy got out and acted erratically.]]
With hands in air- that’s the key to this- at one point he stops when he feels he is far enough away from the vehicle and it appears he is complying- then the actions in question happen-
I can’t say for sure, but I suspect the fella that ran out in front of the vehicle, might have been the one to fire first- but I can’t know for sure- I suspect he would have had them sot adrenaline going at that point- Of course with so many police there- there was likely several orders being issued ‘hands in air’ ‘get down on the ground’ ‘walk towards us with your hands in air’ and for people who have never had to encounter such a situation before, there likely could have been confusion on his part=- along with the desire to draw fire away fro m the vehicle- Hindsight is an awful thing sometimes when it’s too late after a heated/tense incident occurs- Btu the key point in all this is when was he shot? Before or after hands dropped? We can’t really justify it if he was shot before his hands dropped
Where they armed at the time they were stopped?
And the so-called “federal building†they were occupying was a firefighter shack in a park closed for the winter with no one around.
I don't think anyone is confusing it with the White House. But shack or no, occupying it was still a crime whether we agree with the law or not. And sooner or later the feds were going to try and arrest them for it.
totally unnecessary
I don't disagree. A lot of police shootings appear that way. But are still found to be justifiable.
My only question as well.
Those don't look like IR images to me.
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