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To: ROCKLOBSTER
No we don't. We need to "stop arguing" and follow the framers original intent...the meaning at the time.

The Framers were well acquainted with the thoughts of English legal expert Sir William Blackstone on many matters, citizenship among them. Example (boldface added):

When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king's dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty's English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king's embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held (by a kind of postliminium) to be born under the king of England's allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king, and the mother had passed the seas by her husband's consent, might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain.

The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is an alien.

Admittedly, Blackstone was British, and the colonies were revolting against Britain. But that didn't mean the colonists were going stop speaking English, stop thinking English, or stop adopting English principles as the basis of our law.

When they wrote "natural born citizen", it was with Blackstone's meaning in mind. This is confirmed by the the Naturalization Act of 1790, in which they confirmed Blackstone's definition of NBC. Significantly, the 1790 Act is the last legislative use of the term NBC!

57 posted on 01/23/2016 11:17:31 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

58 posted on 01/23/2016 11:20:26 PM PST by Godebert
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To: cynwoody
all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves

Well there you have it. Cruz's father was Cuban.

59 posted on 01/23/2016 11:20:35 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: cynwoody
"When they wrote "natural born citizen", it was with Blackstone's meaning in mind. This is confirmed by the the Naturalization Act of 1790, in which they confirmed Blackstone's definition of NBC."

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No. When they wrote NBC, it was with John Jay's suggestion to George Washington in mind. John Jay's letter to George Washington suggesting the NBC requirement is the only historical document directly related to the use of NBC in the Constitution.

Furthermore, James Madison was on the House Committee that wrote the 1795 Act that REPEALS the 1790 Act and removed NBC status from those foreign born to a US citizen parent ever since.

Congress had a chance in 2004 to reinstate NBC status to those foreign born to a US citizen parent, but did not.

2004 Senate bill 2128

62 posted on 01/24/2016 2:00:26 AM PST by 2pets
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