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Trump's Support for Ethanol Is Bad for Taxpayers and Their Cars
The National Review ^ | January 21, 2016 | Jillian Kay Melchior

Posted on 01/21/2016 2:17:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Leto

Trump is much wiser then most think. Make no mistake. He has more energy then 90 % of us plus he never slows down. Bob Dole just said:”

Dole: GOP would suffer ‘cataclysmic’ losses if Cruz is the nominee.”


221 posted on 01/21/2016 6:16:01 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What's the cut-off date (going back) for your "I can excuse anything Trump did" position.

LOL! If you've been reading any of my posts, you know that I donate to Cruz...

I just don't get so tore up that I lose my mind when looking at the plus and minus columns - you did much of that "forgiving" when you were backing Walker and seem to be doing it for Cruz too while only looking at potential bad traits in Trump.

When we give up honesty for a cause, the cause becomes tainted - I defend stupid attacks against both Cruz and Trump because ...they're stupid.

222 posted on 01/21/2016 6:21:09 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
And yet Trump is caving to the special interests.

More than that, two weeks ago he was accusing Cruz of being in bed with king corn because Cruz was for a phase-out instead of just cutting it off. NOW, Trump's the one in bed with king corn.

What a lying, two-faced, sack of crap.

223 posted on 01/21/2016 6:32:41 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RC one; 1rudeboy
You’re living in the land of plenty friend. If you have a problem with all this prosperity, you should move to Africa but please, don’t try to recreate Africa here by bankrupting our agricultural industry.

The land of plenty? where a man works from January to July for the government? You have no idea what plenty is.

224 posted on 01/21/2016 6:35:36 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RC one; DB
With current oil deflation, oil profits are becoming insufficient to make ends meet.

So what?

225 posted on 01/21/2016 6:39:11 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RC one
I’m a communist for supporting a stable food supply.

Not quite. Socialist.

226 posted on 01/21/2016 6:40:09 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: gusty
What we are sadly finding out is that small government conservatism is dead.

No, not dead. It's a bare fact, a principle. Principles do not change. And as it was said, "Sooner of later you run out of other people's money'." It'll happen, sure as God made little green apples. And by then, the pain will be tremendous.

227 posted on 01/21/2016 6:43:53 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: DB; gusty
And what really kills me is this is the election we could have won if we’d just stuck together.

With HUGE TEA Party coattails, too...

And btw, 'we' DID stick together - There just aren't as many of us here as many of us thought. Principled Conservatism has always been a minority here. Many SAY they are conservatives, but don't know what that means, as this very thread so amply displays.

228 posted on 01/21/2016 6:48:51 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RockyTx
Buy your fuel from Iowa,

or al-Queda and al-Exxon

That's a false choice. We have more than enough petroleum, natural gas and coal to be energy independent. The problem has always been the government trying to keep us from developing and using the resources we have. Making ethanol requires the expenditure of large amounts of fossil fuels, not to mention the amount of water, fertilizer, etc.

Is ethanol a good alternative energy source? It appears that is an open question, with supporters and detractors. What is NOT in question is that the Federal government should not be involved. If ethanol is a good product, it will have a market and willing buyers without a mandate.

It is amazing to me to see the number of people arguing for government mandates. Most of the people here would say they opposed Obamacare, but are now supporting the ethanol mandate - primarily because Trump is supporting it. It goes to prove the point that most Trump supporters are not conservative nor constitutionalists - they are populists and libertarians that are trying to pass as conservatives.

229 posted on 01/21/2016 6:50:32 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: taildragger
The Donald has lost me

Welcome back to sanity, FRiend. It may not be popular, but you'll sleep better tonight.

230 posted on 01/21/2016 6:56:32 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Harpotoo; Leto
So you haven’t heard that Cruz told them he’d give them a 5 year Waiver! How Obamaish of Cruz!

He did no such thing. A five-year phase-out is not a waiver.

231 posted on 01/21/2016 6:59:30 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RC one
Ethanol keeps farming profitable. Bad things happen when farming becomes unprofitable.

So you also support Obamacare, subsidies to Solyndra, wind farms, solar, electric cars, sugar, etc., am I right? You know, when a venture is unprofitable, it is either because no one wants to buy the product at what it costs for it to be profitable, or it is because there are too many people making/providing it and flooding the market. The solution is not for the government to force people to buy it - it is for the market forces to winnow the field so that the the unprofitable businesses either change or get out of the business.

232 posted on 01/21/2016 7:05:08 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Lumper20

When you quote RINO DOLE you lose.

Dole attacking Cruz speaks well of Cruz.


233 posted on 01/21/2016 7:06:40 AM PST by Leto
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To: RockyTx

I can buy my fuel from North Dakota, Texas, California, Colorado, even Florida. Ethanol isn’t fuel; it’s fraud. Forcing consumers to buy a product that wouldn’t exist in a free market is not rational.

Feel free to drink all the ethanol you desire. The rest of us prefer not to subsidize your further destruction of our economy and infrastructure.


234 posted on 01/21/2016 7:07:35 AM PST by antidisestablishment (If Washington was judged with the same standard as Sodom, it would not exist.)
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To: roamer_1
Thks Roamer. Where I am coming from is if he will shiv us on Ethanol, will he reneg on his Boarders ( "The Wall" ), Language ( English Only Sept 15') and Culture ( immigrant issue )?

Will he become just another politician, and what will be our frustration level in 2018, when he hasn't gotten anything done or if he has, did he selling us all out in the process?

You want to talk about corrosive? That would be beyond the pale.

Here is another thing. In the 80's they asked lee Iococca to run. They showed him what a mess it was and he told them "No" I can't fix it. It is way more fubard now. What does Trump actually do or get done?

235 posted on 01/21/2016 7:17:33 AM PST by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: taildragger
Where I am coming from is if he will shiv us on Ethanol, will he reneg on his Boarders ( "The Wall" ), Language ( English Only Sept 15') and Culture ( immigrant issue )?

Well he already has dialed back his 'immigration' stance to a touch-back amnesty similar to the Gang of Eight bill that Cruz fought so hard against.

Remember he started with 'build the wall, and go door to door and throw the bastards out'. and now he is talking the GOPe company line on immigration.

You will never, ever get Conservatism of any kind out of a NY Liberal Yankee. The two ideologies are diametrically opposed. This guy is a bigger mistake than Romney - And he'll be doing it in the name of Conservatism with Palin hanging on his arm.

Foolish.

236 posted on 01/21/2016 7:29:30 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: RC one
ethanol is not ruining engines.

If you like your engine, you can keep your engine.

But we're gonna force you to buy it regardless.

237 posted on 01/21/2016 7:33:45 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: RC one

Market forces keeps farming profitable.

Subsidies (regardless if ethanol, sugar, milk, etc.) make whores of farmers and the taxpayers the dupes


238 posted on 01/21/2016 7:42:00 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73
Market forces keeps farming profitable.

Subsidies (regardless if ethanol, sugar, milk, etc.) make whores of farmers and the taxpayers the dupes

Amen!

239 posted on 01/21/2016 9:29:01 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: DB

In what country?””

I am in flyover country. I did serve 6 years in the CA Bay/Gay/Queer area, but got out a few decades ago. See, I wasn’t forced to live there.

What work are you involved in?


240 posted on 01/21/2016 9:31:08 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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