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'Natural Born' Issue for Ted Cruz Is Not Settled and Not Going Away
NBC News ^ | 01/18/2016 | Pete Williams

Posted on 01/18/2016 8:21:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind

While the nation's legal scholars differ over the exact meaning of the Constitution's requirement that a person must be a "natural born citizen" to become president, they're unanimous in saying Ted Cruz is wrong about an important point.

"As a legal matter, the question is quite straightforward and settled law," Cruz has said. "People will continue to make political noise about it, but as a legal matter it is quite straightforward.

In fact, the experts say, it is neither settled nor straightforward.

It's not settled -- because the Constitution does not define "natural born," a phrase that appears in the nation's founding document only once.

And though the federal courts have chewed on it from time to time, the U.S. Supreme Court has never officially said what it means.

It's not straightforward -- because at the time the Constitution was written there were different ideas about what the phrase meant and competing legal theories about where the power to confer citizenship came from.

The meaning of the term is so unsettled that scores of constitutional experts have been writing about it in the weeks since Donald Trump made it an issue in the 2016 campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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To: SeekAndFind

BUT MARK LEVIN IS TIRED OF IT!

I can’t believe people are still going to talk about this after Mar Levin has clearly said many times that he is tired of it, and then goes on to talk about it for a couple hours, and then says he’s not going to talk about it...

Stupid people! How dare you be concerned about your vote!? MARK LEVIN SAYS IT’S FINE, AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR ALL CONCERNED PARTIES, SO SHUT UP AND STOP ATTACKING THE ONE TRUE CONSERVATIVE WHO VOTED FOR THE CORKER BILL WITH THIS NONSENSE, OR HE WILL BAN YOU GOOD!

JUST STOP IT!


21 posted on 01/18/2016 8:33:49 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: SeekAndFind

Probably one reason Yeb is sticking around, even though he’s dead either way this turns out.


22 posted on 01/18/2016 8:35:19 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: TBP

My son was born overseas in 1972, to two American citizens. His birth had to be registered CRBA to be recognized as a citizen.

I could not just waltz back into the US and my son declare himself a citizen because he felt like it.

He was made a citizen by virtue of paperwork, ie not natural born as I was or as my husband was.

It is not settled, it is not nonsense.


23 posted on 01/18/2016 8:35:49 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: kiryandil

Funny, my wife might occasionally agree :-)


24 posted on 01/18/2016 8:35:57 PM PST by dschapin
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll admit, I don’t think Obama is a Naturalized Citizen.

But I lost.

So Cruz is too. *shrug*


25 posted on 01/18/2016 8:36:28 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Yashcheritsiy; All; TigerClaws; WhiskeyX
"I fully expect that within a week, the Cruzers are going to start arguing that since Obama got a bye, so should Cruz, and then we can call it even."

Oh, I've seen it here at least a dozen times in the last week already.

They emphasize the angel that's he's the most conservative candidate, the only true conservative and a genuine defender of the Constitution.

Farcical.

Ted and Levin says he's good to go and that's all they need to hear.

Besides, Obama got away with it.

26 posted on 01/18/2016 8:36:33 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: TigerClaws

Not all of us are ignoring it


27 posted on 01/18/2016 8:36:37 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Some of them have already done that.


28 posted on 01/18/2016 8:37:03 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: SeekAndFind

http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-illegally/#.Vp2odDnn_qB

Interesting...


29 posted on 01/18/2016 8:38:05 PM PST by hope
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To: SeekAndFind

And that is the problem for Cruz.

Because it is not settled law, doubt can be created.
And doubt creates lost votes.
Maybe not huge numbers, but enough lost votes to lose.


30 posted on 01/18/2016 8:38:24 PM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittancez)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm with Levin on this one, Cut the Crap and focus on, say, the Debt, Isis, Obamacare, loss of Supreme Court forever if Hillary gets elected, you name it.

Basically It's Over if Hillary get elected. So, lets focus on issues and beating Hillary on November 8th.

31 posted on 01/18/2016 8:39:36 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Fai Mao
"Ted needs to simply say that he is qualified to be President as Obama."

Through some bizarre feat of magic and/or corruption, Obama was able to produce a birth certificate from a US State showing he was born to a US Citizen mother.

Not enough for me, but enough for most.

The paper says he was born in the USA.

32 posted on 01/18/2016 8:40:06 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: All

it’s not going away...Is he a NBC? We don’t know. But can someone explain how it is Trumps fault Cruz was born in Canada?


33 posted on 01/18/2016 8:41:42 PM PST by mouse1
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To: dschapin

Yeah, trump was not going to himself make it an issue. But, did the ineligible Cruz take that olive branch? NO ineligible Cruz threw Trump’s citizen mother, before trump was born under his political bus.... Nasty bit of politicking by ineligible Cruz.

Natural born is like a birthright... Cruz does not qualify... And he knows it.


34 posted on 01/18/2016 8:41:47 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: bigbob
"Or a month."

Hell, this will be a hot topic warranting Breaking News posts...even 6 months from now.

It will not go away. Not this year. Perhaps never.

35 posted on 01/18/2016 8:43:01 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pecos Trump, riding the Sharknado in SPACE! Oh when will it end???

36 posted on 01/18/2016 8:43:53 PM PST by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: TigerClaws

Not quite. “Citizen” is capitalized and “natural born” has never been dealt with under the understanding that at least one parent needs to be American. George Romney and John McCain should never have run by this logic.


37 posted on 01/18/2016 8:43:55 PM PST by Lexinom (New York Values == AIDS and dead babies)
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To: hope

Ted Cruz is eligible to be a Senator. He has been a US Citizen for longer than 9 years.


38 posted on 01/18/2016 8:44:09 PM PST by PJBankard (It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory. - Gen. George Patton)
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To: SeekAndFind

lefties harasses Bush the younger over draft dodging for years too. Then Reagan about iran contra. Par for the course.


39 posted on 01/18/2016 8:45:29 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Duchess47

If Cruz has a CRBA, he’d have already produced it. It doesn’t make sense that he would have his records sealed. Both of these infer that he knows he isn’t eligible to be president.

So much for ‘’principled constitutional conservative’’. Only if it doesn’t conflict with his ambition.


40 posted on 01/18/2016 8:45:42 PM PST by KGeorge
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