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To: SecondAmendment

Both has parents who were both American citizens. They also had US birthcertificate from the US. Not a foreign country.

Cruz OTOH has one American citizen parent and a BC originally issued by a foreign country. It would be identical to Obama if he had a Kenyan birth certificate. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

We have two gentlemen who are patriots and love the constitution


168 posted on 01/17/2016 2:35:25 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: hoosiermama

Almost Hoosiermama. Obama was born a citizen of the British Commonwealth, and confirmed that on his on web site. While I doubt that Obama will produce is British citizenship documents. By British law, Obams was born a “natural born subject of the British Commonwealth, eligible to be an MP, which naturalized British subjects are not. That is the sort of entanglement which was only one of the reasons our framers had the wisdom to require, though only for our presidency, being born on our soil to parents who, in spite of Ted Cruz’ sad, sad for a “brilliant” constitutional scholar, who claimed that the parents of a natural born citizen must have been natural born.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, (1939), is the first case that comes to mind, but there are probably many. Marie Elg was born to naturalized Swedish parents in New York during the depression. Dad was offered a job in Sweden. Demonstrating his natural affinity for his birthplace, he give up his U.S. citizenship to return to Sweden. After settling, he wss followed by his wife, and of course, little Marie, toddler. When Marie approached adulthood, majority, she decided to return to HER birthplace. She was told she was not a citizen, and could apply for naturalization. A case was file against the Attorney General, which went to the supreme court. The decision, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes in 1939 (whose own flirt with natural born citizen is relevant, but left for another thread) was that Marie was born a natural born citizen; Citizenship granted by God cannot be denied by man (Congress and naturalization law). Marie, if she so chose, could, after 14 years residence and reaching the age of 35, is eligible to our presidency.

Marie’s father returned to his birth home. Marie returned to hers. These are the less tangible truths addressed by “natural law”. They are no guarantees that a Billie Ayres, natural born, will demonstrate allegiance to the country of his birth, but it is a natural tendency for a child to reflect the allegiances of his parents, the “Dreams from my Father”. It is a natural tendency for a person to have an allegiance to his place of birth. For just our president our framers felt it wise to require both conditions for just our president.

Might Cruz, knowing he had no chance of winning, be inspiring citizens to actually read about our history, and not be so vulnerable as we were when Obama replaced Hillary? Might Levin be doing the same - citing law that was immediately rescinded, the 1790 Naturalization Act; also claiming that U.S. Code defined natural born citizenship? Think of how many now know something about our legal structure because Cruz, Levin and many others are blatantly misstating our written foundations? Almost every “fact” cited by Cruz about natural born citizenship in the last “debate” was a distortion of written law, Constitutional or Congressional. Might Cruz be conducting a class on our legal foundations that would be listened to because of political differences?


212 posted on 01/17/2016 3:59:02 PM PST by Spaulding
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