Tom DeLay: Cruz Has Problem on Citizenship Issue

NewsMax ^ | 01/13/2016 | NewsMax

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

So do you think the Founders put an unconstitutional clause in the 1790 Act?

Exactly.

And in the 1795 statute the parents are referred to as "citizens," as are the children born abroad.

and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States:

If the parental citizenship was categorically different from that of the foreign-born children, the act would not have referred to both with the same term.

[Cboldt]

-- The reason for the requirement is to try to ensure that the candidate is loyal to America first. --

Naturalization accomplishes that. A naturalized person can't be a dual citizen, a native-born American can.

[AFret.]

http://statesidelegal.org/citizenship-children-born-servicemembers-overseas

3.The child’s parents were married before the child was born. One parent is U.S. citizen and the other is a noncitizen. Before the child’s birth the U.S. citizen parent lived for at least five years in the U.S. At least two of those years were when the U.S. citizen parent was older than 14.

Ted Cruz’ birth fits all those criteria.

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Ted’s parents were in the US military? I did not know that..

[Cboldt]

-- I believe the present day court would resolve that with the 14th amendment. --

I think you don't want to go there. 14th amendment has two options.

- born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction
- naturalized in the US and subject to the jurisdiction

[xzins]

They won’t know the actual nominees until after the conventions, so they can’t print until after early Aug 2016. Right?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

By US law, naturalization is defined as something one starts AFTER birth

Insomuch that the laws that pass citizenship in such cases are literally, often times, called "naturalization acts," it's you who doesn't know law very well.

[DouglasKC]

DeLay, however, told Malzberg that the "most expedient" way for Cruz to settle any questions is to work through the courts. "You can't do anything through Congress," he said. "Congress isn't going to pass any bill to protect him — and I'm sure [President Barack] Obama wouldn’t sign anything. "He's going to the courts if he's the nominee. The Democrats will use every avenue available to them.

I would be all in for Cruz too. But if anyone thinks this is going to go away after the birther stuff on Obama they are delusional. And especially since the Dems AND the GOPe do not want Cruz.

[FreeReign]

"Children of citizens of the United States".

No you explain in a rational way why you think the word citizens in the above phrase can not mean a single parent.

LOL.

I'll look for your response.

[magglepuss]

Please see post 94. I couldn’t agree with it more. It is far to risky right now to get our courts or congress to determine anything Constitutional. They will go with their globalist agenda. I really don’t think it is just a coincidence that 3 of our nominees are not NBC.

[MamaTexan]

They said single parent and over seas was fine.

Not quite. In 1790, they said a child born overseas to naturalized citizen parents was fine.

[FreeReign]

If Congress has to pass legislation in order to make you a citizen at birth, then, by definition, you are naturalized

LOLOL!

[AFret.]

Unless someone can produce naturalization paperwork that made him a citizen later in his life, he’s natural born. An American mother who made him an American from day 1. If he was solely a Canadian citizen and then filed to become naturalized American later, then we ‘might’ have an issue to discuss.

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Please don’t flame..I have a simple question to ask.

Can a Natural Born Citizen have dual citizenship at birth?

I did some research, and if he can, I sure couldn’t find it..thanks.

[MamaTexan]

I applaud your persistence, but it’s impossible to get any information through to someone when they believe the 1790 Naturalization Act still applies, a citizen is a citizen is a citizen, or that the 14th Amendment applies despite the fact Canada is not IN *the jurisdiction of the United States*.

[Cboldt]

You can LOL, but you are LOLing at SCOTUS decisions that say that.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

No you explain in a rational way why you think the word citizens in the above phrase can not mean a single parent.

Okay, so let's examine how dumb you are:

1) I quoted the word "citizens," in response to you asserting that the law explicitly said "to one parent" (it didn't, but then, doesn't matter, since citizenship would derive from the fathe). 2) You then contradicted what I said, claiming I left words out of the sentence, which you then provided. 3) So then I asked you how "of the United States" made a difference. 4) So you reply now by quoting "citizens" out of my original quote of "children of citizens."

You see how dumb and frivolous your posts are? It's ALWAYS like this with you.

[RC one]

It seems like you are conflating citizen with natural born citizen. like it or not, for purposes of presidential eligibility, there are two classes of citizenship: citizens and natural born citizens. If you require a statute to prove that you're a citizen, you're the former. You're guaranteed all the privileges and immunities of the latter save two, you can't be POTUS or Vice POTUS.

I was born in America. Both of my parents were American citizens at the time of their birth. All of my grandparents were citizens at the time of their birth. I am a natural born citizen. No law can grant me that status. No law can deny me that status. No person can question that status.

[MortMan]

A Consular Report of Birth Abroad does not connote a naturalization process, FRiend. It is a paperwork step to report the fact of birth for an American citizen outside the boundaries of the United States.

[MamaTexan]

Ted Cruz’ birth fits all those criteria.

I didn't know Cruz's mother was in the military.

[AFret.]

Neither is Rubio.

He is flying under the radar hoping no one realizes he is a 14th Amendment anchor baby.

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Don’t kid yourself..he knows. He is just trying to vacuum up as many campaign contributions as he can before he pulls the plug.

(He will return some money, but not all)

[MamaTexan]

I don't care if we're talking about Cruz, Trump or Daffy Duck

I'd vote for a Duck before I voted for a Bush. :-)