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Is Trump Punking Us?
The Universal Spectator ^ | 8-6-15 | Maggie

Posted on 01/13/2016 11:51:12 AM PST by Angels27

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To: ETL

Stop your damn lying. Trump did not “praise” Kim Jong-un for a damn thing. He said that it was remarkable that someone that young could seize control, challenge older veterans and generals in the North Korean military, and come out on top.

We all know you have a hard-on for Trump, but your distortions and lies are getting old.


41 posted on 01/13/2016 12:09:51 PM PST by mkjessup (JimRob: "It's Trump or Cruz, all the others are amnesty pimps" And the man is RIGHT!)
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To: dragnet2
Big difference between "Mr Gorbachev, tear down that wall!"

and...

"It is always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his own country and beyond".

Reagan, no doubt, would be a Cruz supporter.

Ted Cruz on ISIS, Russia, Obama, missile defense, and the New START Treaty with Russia...

"If we want to actually dismantle ISIS, we need to dramatically change course. We need a real, robust campaign that maximizes our overwhelming air advantage.

We need to focus our efforts not on trying to create friends, but on supporting our real ones, especially the Kurds in Iraq and Syria who have actually had success against ISIS."

-snip-

"We can redouble our efforts to develop the defensive weapons that neutralized the offensive Soviet threat -- particularly missile defense, which has seen a 25% budget reduction under Obama, according to an analysis from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and has been constrained by bad arms deals like New START.

We should not only move quickly to install the canceled interceptor sites Putin opposed in Poland and the Czech Republic, but also to develop the next generation of systems that will only increase his discomfiture.

These options do not entail a ground war in Syria, yet would effectively shake us free from the failed policies that have brought us to our current impasse.

These options set us on a new path that puts Putin on notice that the United States is reclaiming our traditional role as leader of the free world."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/opinions/cruz-syria-putin/index.html

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"I think it would be a mistake to get involved in the Syrian civil war. There have been voices in Washington eager for us to send our sons and daughters over to fight that civil war for some time. I haven't been one of them. I think the touchstone of U.S. military policy should be protecting the national security of this country."

"What we're seeing Putin in Russia do is a direct response to the profound weakness of Obama over six and a half years.

Putin views Obama as weak, as ineffective, and frankly, as a laughingstock. And, as a result, he is moving in, he is invading his neighbors, like Ukraine, he's kidnapping Estonians, and he's moving into Syria to gain a stronger foothold in the Middle East."

https://www.tedcruz.org/news/icymi-cruz-we-have-no-business-getting-in-the-middle-of-the-syrian-civil-war-goal-should-be-to-defeat-isis/

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Ted Cruz:
"We need a coherent plan to address both the specific crisis in Syria and the challenge posed more broadly by Putin's resurgent Russia.

The good news is that America still has options, if our leaders can summon the will to exercise them.

For starters, in Syria we can't double down on the failed strategies that have given Putin his opportunity to intervene.

We are now two years out from President Obama's proposed intervention after al-Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. ..."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/opinions/cruz-syria-putin/index.html

42 posted on 01/13/2016 12:11:08 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Angels27

Oh, please. Sure, Trump at age 70 is just running around all over the country, taking flak from the left and the right for the hell of it. What we really need to worry about is failing to get a nominee this time around who can close the deal because our free republic depends on it.


43 posted on 01/13/2016 12:11:34 PM PST by iontheball
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To: ETL

More anti-Trump trolling-—Lets say he’s a bad dude because he says something someone interpreted as bad. I remember the flack Arnold S. faced when he said Hitler was a great speaker (Historic fact—he was).


44 posted on 01/13/2016 12:12:30 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: dforest

No, it couldn’t. Don’t even try that lame line.


45 posted on 01/13/2016 12:12:38 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: ETL

Rafael better suspend his campaign and straighten out his legal status mess.


46 posted on 01/13/2016 12:13:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: datura
If you think the employee, you must not be in business.

Actually, I am retired...I was the CEO of a company I founded.

So you could not be further off the mark.

However, I do not find that to be surprising.

47 posted on 01/13/2016 12:13:06 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Angels27

Duped is more the word I would describe.


48 posted on 01/13/2016 12:13:32 PM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“I don’t see Bill Clinton pulling Donald Trump aside, suggesting that Trump help his wife by pointing out Clinton’s abuse of women and HRC enabling it.

HRC is WAY too thin skinned to be OK with Trump running around saying she belongs in jail.”

Yup, the logical side me sees it that way too.

But on the other hand there is just something that gnaws at me about Trump, that he is playing us.

Well if he is the nominee all I can do leave it in Gods hands and pray for the best.


49 posted on 01/13/2016 12:14:11 PM PST by Angels27
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To: Angels27

Cruz is most definitely NOT punking us.

As interesting as Trump is, this is exactly why I support Cruz.


50 posted on 01/13/2016 12:14:17 PM PST by PGR88
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To: JPG

Nicely done !!


51 posted on 01/13/2016 12:14:21 PM PST by onona (Blind Faith - originally released in 1969 on Polydor Records)
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To: ryan71
“Donald Trump is first and foremost, a salesman.”
_________________

Lets see, Salesman/Builder/Innovator/Leader vs. Constitutional Lawyer-Scholar/Conservative Politician/Smartest Guy in the Room w/”Loner” tendencies ...Who has the best skill sets and whom do we trust the most??? ...or least??? That is the question.

52 posted on 01/13/2016 12:16:47 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Angels27
From a highly respectable conservative source,
Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy In Media (AIM)...

Follow Trump's Money to Moscow

Renew America ^ | December 25, 2015 | Cliff Kincaid

The phrase "follow the money" is supposed to help explain human behavior, especially in politics. So why has Donald Trump embraced Russian President Vladimir Putin? Why has he denied the evidence of Putin's killing of Russian journalists and dissidents? A savvy businessman, Trump is certainly not dumb. There must be something else to it.

Reports dating back to 1987, during the time of the old Soviet Union, reveal that Trump has been seeking business in Russia and attempting to build a "Russian Trump Tower" in Moscow and perhaps other Russian cities.

At this particular time in history, with Putin's cronies under financial sanctions because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin's praise for Trump may signal another attempt to get the capitalists and their money back into Russia. Such a ploy depends on Trump and others rehabilitating Putin by claiming that he is fighting terrorism in Syria, not bolstering a long-time Soviet/Russian client state.

Thanks to the effectiveness of the Russia Today (RT) channel, which saturates the U.S. media market, especially cable television, Putin is indeed looking like a statesman on the world stage.

Trump's relationship with Russia goes far back. In 1987, before the collapse of the Soviet Union, he was meeting with Soviet officials and negotiating the building of "luxury hotels" in Moscow and Leningrad. A story at the time said Trump had met Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, who mentioned how much his daughter had admired the "opulent" Trump Tower in New York City. This led to an invitation to Trump to visit the USSR. The story said Dubinin wrote a letter to Trump, who hosted a meeting with Soviet officials in New York.

The invitation to Moscow was issued by Intourist, the giant Soviet in-country travel organization which operated all the hotels for foreigners in the Soviet Union. Intourist was created in 1929 by Joseph Stalin and run by KGB officials. Intourist hotels were designed for wealthy foreigners, and virtually all the Intourist guides were KGB informers. In fact, one aspect of their jobs was the recruitment of foreigners.

However, Trump expressed concern about "Soviet regulations on joint ventures, which require that the Soviets hold a controlling 51 percent interest" in such projects. Trump wanted majority control.

The book The Global Emerging Market: Strategic Management and Economics, by Vladimir Kvint, said that as far back as 2008, the Trump Organization had registered its trademarks in Russia in the areas of real estate development and construction. Trump's son, Donald Jr., said in an interview at the time that his father was looking at investing in Russia and China. These were considered top A-list countries. Donald Jr. is the executive vice president of Development & Acquisitions at the Trump Organization.

Trump wasn't the only businessman who thought the new Russia would prove hospitable to foreign investment. American businessman Bill Browder ran an investment fund in Russia called Hermitage Capital. Once a Putin fan, he thought private property rights were going to be protected. However, he was deported in 2005, his assets stolen, and his lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky, was tortured and killed. Browder now says, "The Russian regime is a criminal regime. We're dealing with a nuclear country run by a bunch of Mafia crooks. And we have to know that."

Cases like that didn't stop Congress in 2012 from voting for Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) for Russia. It passed the Senate by 92-4 and the House by 365-43. Despite the ominous trends, including Putin's invasion of the former Soviet Republic of Georgia in 2008, big business thought a lot of money could still be made in Russia. In 2013, Trump was himself back in Russia holding his "Miss Universe" pageant. "I have plans to start business in Russia," Trump told the Russian media. "I am currently in talks with several Russian companies to build a skyscraper on the model of Trump Tower in New York."

One of Trump's contacts was Russian billionaire Araz Agalarov and his company Crocus Group. He owned Crocus City Hall, where the Miss Universe finals were being held. He confirmed that his company, Crocus Group, had been participating in real estate talks with Trump. Later that year Agalarov was given an outstanding citizen award by Vladimir Putin at a ceremony held in the Kremlin. He has been called "The Donald Trump of Russia."

Rather than treat China and Russia as business opportunities, Trump said in his 2011 book 'Time To Get Tough' that China is "not our friend" and is stealing our jobs, technology, and military capabilities. It appears that a business relationship with China had soured since the time Donald Jr. was considering investing there. Trump's attacks on China have been a big hit on the campaign trail.

Analyst Nevin Gussack says of Trump, "While his trade and immigration policies would strengthen our strategic and economic posture, his naivete and ignorance of Russia and even Cuba is very disconcerting." It appears that Trump has flip-flopped on the question of whether he would invest in communist Cuba.

As far as Russia is concerned, there's no talk in the 2011 book of doing business with Putin. But Trump said that he "often speaks highly" of Putin because of his "intelligence and no-nonsense way." An intelligence operative, Putin was in the KGB and ran one of the KGB's successor agencies, the FSB.

Putin certainly has a "no-nonsense" approach to his perceived political enemies. Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya was poisoned, miraculously survived, but was then later shot dead on October 7, 2006, which happened to be Putin's birthday. She had been warning about the KGB's return to power and was investigating the circumstances surrounding the kidnapping and murder of hundreds in the Beslan school massacre in southern Russia in 2004. This event, like the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings, was blamed on Islamists and gave Putin the opportunity, or pretext, to further consolidate his power over the military, the intelligence agencies, and the economy. He assumed virtual dictatorial powers.

The poisoning of Politkovskaya was a hallmark of the KGB's "no-nonsense" way of doing business. Later that same year, dissident former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko was murdered by poisoning in London, to which he had fled. He wrote the book Blowing Up Moscow: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror, about the FSB's role in those 1999 Moscow apartment bombings. He had also named al-Qaeda's number two man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, as having been trained by the KGB.

While Trump's 2011 book denounced "Obama's pandering to the Russians" in areas like sabotaging missile defense for our allies, he said Putin had a "grand vision," the creation of a "Eurasian Union" to replace the USSR. He said Putin wanted to control oil supplies to all of Europe. This was an important insight into how Putin's regime is not defensive, nor reacting to the U.S. and NATO, but is instead aggressive in foreign affairs and trying to dominate its neighbors. However, rather than explain what the Russians were up to with this "grand vision," Trump went on to say "Hats off to the Russians" in getting their way with Obama.

One can fully understand taking Obama to task for giving in to the Russians. But praising the Russians for taking advantage of Obama reflects a trait that is all too common with many conservatives. Their disgust with Obama has blinded them to the nature of our enemies, who exploit his foreign policy to their advantage. They somehow think Putin is acting in America's interests when Obama is not. That's ludicrous.

In his latest book, Crippled America: How to Make America Great Again, Trump notes that Putin is "outmaneuvering" Obama in the Middle East. Trump calls Putin a leader, in contrast to Obama. But what is Putin leading? Trump refers to Iran as "Russia's best friend," without explaining the significance of its alliance with Russia. Trump also says in his book that he doesn't understand "why Germany and other countries watched impassively as Putin marched into Ukraine."

After the invasion of Ukraine and the shoot-down of the Malaysian plane by Russian-backed terrorists, Trump claimed, "I think I became much richer because I can understand people and read people and Putin is not finished. Putin has got a long way to go."

Again, we are left thinking that Trump understands the aggressive intentions of Vladimir Putin.

Yet, when Trump was asked about the nuclear balance with Russia during the most recent Republican presidential debate, he displayed ignorance of the decaying nature of the U.S. nuclear triad, which constitutes our ability to deter and survive a Russian nuclear first strike.

Meanwhile, Putin has just presided over a ceremony honoring the KGB's successor agencies, and the Russia Today (RT) propaganda channel has announced the grand opening of a "cultural center" dedicated to mass murderer Joseph Stalin.

It looks like Putin has outmaneuvered Obama and Trump. It is an opening for Trump's opponents, especially Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Marco Rubio (R-FL). But do they have the courage to "follow the money" and hold Trump accountable for doing business with a criminal regime that threatens the survival of the United States? At the end of this money trail, they may find an explanation of why Trump is so reluctant to hold Putin responsible for his crimes.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kincaid/151225

53 posted on 01/13/2016 12:19:14 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: Angels27

He may well be “punking” us.

But at this point no one else is standing-up for the things Americans outside of the Beltway are demanding.

If we lose this one it could all be over anyhow.
Roll the dice!


54 posted on 01/13/2016 12:20:50 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cold Heat
trump by virtue of his decision to run for office is also a politician.

Yep, that is true as well. We are in agreement then that neither Cruz nor Trump can be trusted.

55 posted on 01/13/2016 12:23:33 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Trump & Cruz - Together, a Better America!)
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To: Angels27
But on the other hand there is just something that gnaws at me about Trump, that he is playing us.

How old are you? How many times have you been 'played'? Do you even know what that entails? And do you think Trump has 'played' those solid conservatives I cited for you in my post # 29?

Well if he is the nominee all I can do leave it in Gods hands and pray for the best.

You should have done that before posting this abysmal blog excerpt.
56 posted on 01/13/2016 12:24:41 PM PST by mkjessup (JimRob: "It's Trump or Cruz, all the others are amnesty pimps" And the man is RIGHT!)
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To: ETL

Do you get paid by the word to post this crap?


57 posted on 01/13/2016 12:25:48 PM PST by mkjessup (JimRob: "It's Trump or Cruz, all the others are amnesty pimps" And the man is RIGHT!)
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To: mkjessup

Powerball has little to do with spotting a phony. Trump made a calculated decision in 2012 to switch to the Republican Party in , his 7th switch, for the sole purpose of running for President. It didn’t have anything to do with his ideology changing.

Trump himself has said that he identifies with Democrats more than Republicans.


58 posted on 01/13/2016 12:29:52 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

In a general sense I agree.

You can expand that to all humans in my case.

I find that most of them lie like rugs, given the right circumstance.

But as of yet I have detected no deception from Cruz...


59 posted on 01/13/2016 12:30:21 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: conservativejoy
I think he is a populist independent and gives ideology no thought at all.

His popularity is largely media driven and he's like a pacifier for PO’d voters in both party's.

Ross Perot had the same effect.

Heck, I damn near voted for Perot. I have always been a PO’d voter. but I don't let that cloud my judgment.

60 posted on 01/13/2016 12:34:08 PM PST by Cold Heat
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